[Imc-lwg-work] Nothing else among us is more important than this, at this moment

[Richard Malter]

I basically see it very similarly to Mic, as he's put it in his last two mails, 
so no need to reiterate here. A few quick points: 

We at London working group (LWG) did our best to massively summarize the 
arguments in our original BLOCK & AMMENDMENTS mail - where we gave two 
compacted reasons for the block.

>petros_evdokas at yahoo.com  wrote:
>3. We’ve agreed that the spirit of the Proposal so far
>specifically *exludes* any decision -making power for
>this new entity, and we should try to stick to that
>until we have some kind of real consensus among us. 

This is factually incorrect: there have been different views. 
Moreover we have actually explained how the proposal _is_ for decison-making. 
The summary is in an electrics analogy: curcuitry dictates flow of current,
current in this case = information, and decison-making comes out of the flow of 
information.

>[] desire toward self-organization is honorable, it
>contains the possibility of great potential benefits
>for global imc (and for disasters, of course, if
>abused). There is no number of blocks capable of
>stopping this desire from becoming actualised,
>regardless of  what the ideology is which motivates
>the blocks to that consensus. []

I believe this too. That is 'what'. But 'How' [implemetation] is just or even 
more important. _If_ we want to design something then we have to think 
of 'what' and 'how' together. But i suggest not to 'design'. What we did in LWG 
is identify patterns that are actually happening but not commonly acknowledged -
 and give explanations for them, like many clouds in the sky leading most 
probably to rain falling. Nothing to do with ideology, its being aware of what 
is. I think that here ideas/ideology are stopping very much the simple 
observations of what is happening, or limiting them very much becuase they lead 
us to only look at some things and not others. Also a very important related 
point, that impressed me recently when it came up in a discussion, is that in a 
systems/ecological approach to viewing things there is no need to imagine and 
design the end result. 'Organically' means we don't fix what 'should' happen in 
our minds. When we think what 'should' happen then this is design and control 
in the least helpful way and has been/is the cause of so much trouble.

I think this has been valuable discussion,

cheers,

Richard
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