[Imc-lwg-work] facts & proposal (was Re: [Imc-uk-process] clarification ) (fwd)

[toni --]

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:03:26 +0100 (BST)
From: toni -- <tony@irational.org>
To: imc-uk-process@lists.indymedia.org
Subject: facts & proposal (was Re: [Imc-uk-process] clarification )


> At 15:56 11/10/2002 +0100, toni -- wrote:
> >your latest attempt of trying to hide under "imc-london" tag
> >is the most disgraceful power-seeking act of all so far - because it
> >seeks domination i.e. "power over others", and exclusion

On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Planet Mail wrote:
> rubbish. grow up and lets get on with working on indymedia.

fact 1 
  You know that there's another group of people (however small), lwg, 
  working on indymedia in london - but you send a detailed application(1) 
  for imc-london to new-imc without even discussing it with us.

fact 2
  There are *many* other people who contributed to imc-uk, and 
  inymedia network both in uk (and at large), who are either permanently, 
  or in nomadic way (like your application correctly states) based in
  london. they've been left out too.

fact 3
  Your application was done without consulting above mentioned, although
  they worked, or still work on indymedia in london 

fact 4
  You application refers in present time, repeteadly,
  to "indymedia london members"

fact 5
  there is no indymedia london as such yet, nor it has membership.

fact 6
  i've interpreted your application as "power-seeking act".
  and i've interpreted facts 1,2 & 3 as deliberate exclusion
  and attempt for power over excluded i.e domination.

fact 7
  you have deliberately mislead us, lwg, about your intentions. 

these facts are what you call "rubbish".
and if you think that i was wrong in my interpretation (fact 6), then why 
don't you prove me wrong, by your acts (rather than talk).
constructive proposal how to proceed is below.

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as of your "let's get on with working on indymedia", i propose:

   -------------------------------------------------------------
  | let's do the application for imc-london together, including |
  | openning up of the process to others (see fact 2) who have  |
  | been excluded so far.                                       |
   -------------------------------------------------------------

this should include an letter(email) of invitation to not only imc-uk
email lists, but to all the independent media makers, and other
potentialy interested, who reside in london in any way
(permanent/nomadic).

in solidarity,

toni, lwg of imv-uk



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