[Imc-lwg-work] Re: [Imc-uk-process] IMCUK redesign process

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Hi Toblo,

read your mail after seeing the mail below from richard:

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From: Richard Malter <richardmalter@riseup.net>
To: new-imc@lists.indymedia.org, imc-uk-process@lists.indymedia.org
Subject: [Imc-uk-process] [Imc-lwg-work] [design] termination of project 
and imc-london proposal comment
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:14:15 +0100

http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-london-wg-work/2002-October/000110.html 

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I just wanted to say that your description of communication with other 
people working on redesign issues is not how I remember it - i attended 
two, i think, meetings about redesign issues, at each of those and indeed 
before hand people asked  if you had been invited to attend, each time the 
reply was that you had been invited but had not responded.

Looking back at my mail archive I can see that people did, yes, after your 
initial mail in march saying you'd done a dummy frontpage, send you 
encouraging mails that also pointed out some issues and made some 
suggestions, but you did not reply.

As I also remember (and looking back at my mail archives to confirm) you 
did not make any further contribution to the discussion or meeting feedback 
after your initial mails.

If that is incorrect, and you did in fact engage in discussions, then I 
apologise, but i certainly did not see it.

Finally it should be said that people thought your initial work modelling 
the frontpage on the sf layout was good, and as detailed in the feedback 
from a meeting, in your absence and without any other communication from 
you, your design template was used as the basis for further development.

cheers,
dave


At 11:39 15/10/2002 +0200, xdaydreamx@gmx.net wrote:
>Toblo, having found your comments on the IMCUK redesign process reposted
>elsewhere, I am wondering whether your frustration might stem from the 
>fact that
>you are approaching the matter in the wrong way. Why are you posting such
>comments on the list of the London Working Group - a group that does little to
>engage with the wider Indymedia UK network - instead of the Indymedia UK
>process list, or the Indymedia UK network list?
>
>In my experience not being able to make it to a particular meeting in a pub
>does nothing to preclude involvement in a project - there are all kinds of
>meetings happening all over london almost every day of the week. It a 
>matter of
>connecting with the people you want to redesign the site with, rather than
>just being sour that people who haven't met you don't immediately jump when
>you say jump, and redesign the site according to your ideas.
>
>Frank
>
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>Toby Ralph toblo at freeuk.com
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>As far as I can see from the people posting the proposal for a new
>imc-london are the same that have frustrated me out of my interest in
>the redesign of the site - and that seems to be a road leading to
>more and more exclusion and negative control of what could be a
>growing, vibrant, positive and inclusive space on the web and in the
>global network.
>
>And that's a bloody shame.
>
>Toby
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