[IMC Bombay] Re: [New-imc] Online form: Proposed new IMC! (hyderabad.indymedia.org) (fwd)

[boud]

hi vijay, evan,
   Thanks for the additional info - if you choose not to create a 
mailing list yet, could i suggest that you use the list

imc-india at lists.indymedia.org  ?

i think all of my comments:
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-india/2002-December/000714.html
still remain valid, and praccus' comment:
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-india/2002-December/000715.html
is also valid.

If you wish to download and install an indymedia engine over the next day
or two, or if evan or someone else wishes to rapidly set up a remote
site for you, that's fine, you can negotiate that between you by consensus,
as long as the alias 

hyderabad.indymedia.org

is not set up, since that would be extremely confusing to
everyone. People at the ASF would be misled into thinking that
Indymedia is just software and that non-hierarchy, diversity, 
consensus, broad local outreach, etc etc are not needed.

Since your long term goal is to set up a real Indymedia collective,
but you also want to show the people at the ASF that you can provide
something useful for their purposes, my suggestion would be 

(1) + (2) + (3c)

of 
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-india/2002-December/000714.html

so that you would have

(1) open publishing (already functioning!)

(2) two mailing lists specificially for creating a Hyderabad collective
(within about 24h or so it should be functioning)

(3c) a wiki aimed at synthesis of ASF issues (if your connection is
permanent, you can easily do this on your own PC).

IMHO, this would be much easier and better than creating an instant
site that you're not ready for. (Of course, if evan or someone else
wants to create you a site, maybe with a name like 

scratch.indymedia.org

then that would be okay - since then it would be clear that it's only
a temporary place for learning and not yet a real indymedia site.)

Please follow up discussion at <imc-india at lists.indymedia.org> 
(unless someone has a better suggestion).

solidarity
boud



On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 evan@protest.net wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:57:50 +0530
> From: wsfhyd <wsfhyd at hd2.dot.net.in>
> To: evan at protest.net
> Subject: Re: [New-imc] Online form: Proposed new IMC!
>     (hyderabad.indymedia.org)
> 
> Hi Evan:
> Greetings from Hyderabad!
> We already have a tech group set up for the website. Jerry is the key tech
> man and will handle all tech issues. We understand that the IMC process
> can't be bypassed, and therefore will be grateful if you can start up the
> site.
> Regarding the elationship between WSF Hyderabad and the proposed Hyderabad
> IMC, the same group of individuals who work for WSF are interested in
> starting up the IMC. As a matter of fact, the Hyderabad Sectt. will shut
> down once the Asian Social Forum is over. We propose to run the Hyderabad
> IMC  from the same premises along with Telangana Information Trust, an
> organisation which has been elping get issues to the forefront in various
> media, which otherwise would not get any coverage whatsoever. So the
> relationship with WSF currently is a short-term asset  based on which the
> proposed Hyderabad IMC is making its beginning.
> Please let us know the details about when the site will be up so that we can
> start doing dry runs before D-day.
> In solidarity,
> Vijay
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <evan at protest.net>
> To: <wsfhyd at hd2.dot.net.in>
> Cc: <new-imc at indymedia.org>; <imc-process at indymedia.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 7:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [New-imc] Online form: Proposed new IMC!
> (hyderabad.indymedia.org)
> 
> 
> > Looks like your deadline is very very soon. Do you have a tech group
> > already setup for your site?
> >
> > What i'm thinking, is like with other groups who have critical timelines
> > is we can setup the website and point hyderabad.indymedia.org at it. But
> > we wouldn't add hyderabad to the cities list until it goes through the
> > normal new imc process which can take several weeks. We've done this in
> > the past with mixed sucess.
> >
> > I'm sure there will be some questions about the relationship between the
> > IMC and the WSF Hyderabad as part of the new imc process.
> >
> > in solidarity,
> > evan
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 wsfhyd at hd2.dot.net.in wrote:
> >
> > > Submitted by: vijay <wsfhyd at hd2.dot.net.in> on Saturday, December 28th,
> 2002  at  9:00:03 am (-0800)
> > >
> > > Client Variables
> > > ----------------
> > >
> > > HTTP_USER_AGENT:
> > > Mozilla/4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD   (Win98; U)
> > >
> > > Online Form Fields
> > > ------------------
> > >
> > > imc_name:
> > > hyderabad.indymedia.org
> > >
> > > city:
> > > hyderabad
> > >
> > > state:
> > > andhra pradesh
> > >
> > > country:
> > > india
> > >
> > > contact_name:
> > > vijay
> > >
> > > contact_email:
> > > wsfhyd at hd2.dot.net.in
> > >
> > > contact_phone:
> > > 91-40-23392726, 91-40-23302115, 91-98490-05181
> > >
> > > tech_name:
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > tech_email:
> > > wsfhyd at hd2.dot.net.in
> > >
> > > tech_phone:
> > > same as above
> > >
> > > supporting_groups:
> > > All groups in Hyderabad and Andhra Pradesh that are part of the
> WSF-India process
> > >
> > > regional_focus:
> > > yes
> > >
> > > critical_dates:
> > > 30th January 2002
> > >
> > > resources:
> > > 1) We have one 64 kbps line(DSL), 2 P4, 256RAM PCs and a printer.
> > > 2) Students from the Univ of Hyderabad\'s Mass Communication School are
> already involved in the process. We are pushing their efforts forward to do
> the same, BUT IN TIME FOR THE ASIAN SOCIAL FORUM which begins on 2nd January
> 2003.
> > >
> > >
> > > outreach:
> > > 1) The proposed Hyderabad IMC contact person, Vijay, is also one of the
> 2 Coordinators of the World Social Forum-India, Hyderabad Secretariat. He
> therefore brings together with him a critical mass of all the groups that
> are part of the WSF-India Process.
> > > 2) Jerry and Kapil are students in the School of Mass Comm at the
> University of Hyderabad. Jerry will be the man who will be the tech resource
> for IMC and once his exams are over on Monday the 30th, he will be available
> full time for the Forum, and thereafter on a regular basis. Kapil has made a
> short 20 minute film, a fictional satire (funded by the WSF-Hyderabad
> committee) on intellectual property in the contaxt of globalisation and WTO.
> > > 3) Progressive publications and media in Hyderabad require outreach and
> Hyderabad indymedia will be a resource for them.
> > >
> > >
> > > introductory_statement: 1)In the 2002 World Social Forum, there were 700
> > > Workshops conducted and there was documentation for only 100 workshops!
> > > The number of copies were limited so half the delegates had no way of
> > > learning about those workshops.
> > >
> > > 2) The proposed hyderabad indymedia centre seeks to avoid a repetition
> > > of this situation. Using our resources, we will be deploying stringers
> > > to 90 venues to collect summaries of the Workshop/Seminar proceedings.
> > > We have facilitators from the Workshop/Seminar organisers who will
> > > supply summaries. These will be collected by the Media Cmte of which
> > > this proposed centre is a part, edited, formatted and printed for
> > > circulation at the Forum on a daily basis. But this process ensures that
> > > only Hyderabad and environs will read the daily proceedings. We would
> > > like the rest of the world to share a this documentation of the events
> > > at the Asian Social Forum.
> > >
> > > 3) We also need to do a couple of dummy runs before the Forum begins on
> > > the 2nd. Therefore, to ask the impossible, is it possible to get the
> > > hyderabad indymedia site up and running by the 29th or the 30th of
> > > December 2002, that is in the next day or two? We recognise that the New
> > > IMC process takes at least 10 days. But in the interest of allowing the
> > > Forum to undertake this outreach effort, can it be made to function at a
> > > faster pace?
> > >
> > > 4)In the WSF Hyderabad\'s Coordination Committee meeting, it was
> > > unanimously accepted that there should be an IMC in Hyderabad and that
> > > resources would be provided for networking with groups, issue
> > > identification, facilitating issue investigation and dissemination of
> > > the same.
> > >
> > > 4)The Telangana Information Trust, housed in the same building as the
> > > proposed hyderabad indymedia centre(which is the current WSF office in
> > > Hyderabad), will play a role too, in supporting the proposed hyderabad
> > > imc by providing resources for digital documentation facilities.