[imc-latina] Re: [imc-tech-solidarity] thinking about a shipment of computers to africa
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En cuanto al proyecto de la compus estamos relamente al aire.
Hola!
Estamos prestos acoordinar desde hace tiempo para poder mover la compus hacia otros lados de sudamérica.
Más tarde vuelvo a enviar l apropuesta del In dy perú sobre esto, que está preparada desde hace ya como 3 ó 4 meses.
besotes
Andre
((i)) Lima Perú
Sheri Herndon <sheri@indymedia.org> wrote:hey,
i am very supportive of getting computers to the south. i'm also very grateful to the people who have worked hard to make these shipments happen. it seems that gaba is pointing out some very important issues that need to be figured out before more shipments are sent. we need to learn from our experiences with these first two shipments. who is on the receiving end and what is the commitment to the project and how will distribution happen. i was in the irc meeting with others today too and here's what one person had to say about this idea for computers to africa:
Skidz1: there's a boat from japan doing that right now.
sphinx-Amb: Good ideas but we need 2 wait 4 the imc to be there first
sphinx-Amb: if not it will be a waist of time
sphinx-Amb: Let people understand the imc politics first
sphinx-Amb: truggle to start one
Skidz1: i don't think they don't understand...sphinx-Amb: then the training will get a meaning
sphinx brings up really good comments here.
i think having a blueprint for this project will help with other shipments to different parts of the world and continuing the practice and also for raising funds to help make it happen.
ciaosheri
At 6:04 PM -0300 12/15/02, gaba wrote:i dont know too much about africa but i think it would be great to support the imcs there. About preparing the project i think that is basic!. is shit to lose a container with machine that could help the movement. im a little worry about what is happening with the container to imc-ecuador. we should have a group discussing and working in the project in the usa to send them (it was really ok) and in the south to receive them. we have the working group in the south on the air. we didnt know how to receive them, we dont know how to distribute them... are really ppl interesting in the project on the south to take care about it? we all agree that is very important this project for imc collectives here in south america but we have to discuss it and search for legal and practice information to support it.
no se mucho sobre africa pero pienso que seria genial ayudar a imcs alli. sobre preaparar el proyecto pienso que es básico! es una mierda perder un contenedor con máquinas que podrian estar ayudando al movimiento. estoy un poco preocupada por lo que está pasando con el contenedor a imc-ecuador. debemo tener dicusiones en grupo y trabajo grupo en el proyecto en usa para enviarlas (fue hecho bien) y en el sur para recibirlas. tenemos el grupo de trabajo en el sur en el aire!!. no sabiamos como recibirlas, no sabemos como distribuirlas... hay realmente gente interesada en el proyecto en el sur para hacerse cargo de este? todos estamos de acuerdo que este proyecto es muy improtante para los colectivos de imc aqui en el sur de america pero debemos discutirlo y buscar información legal y practica para mantenerlo.
At 11:21 15/12/2002 -0800, evan@protest.net wrote: To get the ball rolling. I was chatting with abc from Nigeria and
sphinx from Ambazonia during the imc global meeting today. It seemed like
it would be a good idea to start discussing a shipment of computers to an
imc in Africa. Things work pretty slowly so starting now for a shipment in
10 months to a year is probally enough lead time.
What do people think of this idea?
For those who don't know, the basic idea is to refurbish old computers in
the US and ship them by the container to imc's in the third world. They
can then use them for setting up indymedia center computer labs but also
to wire and support many social movements and community radio stations.
For Ecuador we shipped 235 computers. For Argentina we will probally be
shipping fewer.
Draft grant for Argentina Shipment:
http://internal.protest.net/osi/index.php?TechTrainingOsi
Article about the Ecuador Shipment:
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/09/23/antiglobal_geeks/
One thing in general is we need to figure out how we decide where
shipments go and in what order. For one thing it's SUPER important that
the people recieving the computers be able to handle them. Both getting
through customs but also the distribution and training. Remember that a
container of computers weighs 8.7 metric tons! If we loose even a SINGLE
container somehow then it will be much harder to get funding to keep the
proejct going.
-evan
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<P> En cuanto al proyecto de la compus estamos relamente al aire.
<P>Hola!
<P> Estamos prestos acoordinar desde hace tiempo para poder mover la compus hacia otros lados de sudamérica.
<P> Más tarde vuelvo a enviar l apropuesta del In dy perú sobre esto, que está preparada desde hace ya como 3 ó 4 meses.
<P> besotes
<P>Andre
<P>((i)) Lima Perú
<P> <B><I>Sheri Herndon <sheri@indymedia.org></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV>i am very supportive of getting computers to the south. i'm also very grateful to the people who have worked hard to make these shipments happen. it seems that gaba is pointing out some very important issues that need to be figured out before more shipments are sent. we need to learn from our experiences with these first two shipments. who is on the receiving end and what is the commitment to the project and how will distribution happen. i was in the irc meeting with others today too and here's what one person had to say about this idea for computers to africa:</DIV>
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<DIV><TT><FONT color=#000000>Skidz1: there's a boat from japan doing that right now.<BR>sphinx-Amb: Good ideas but we need 2 wait 4 the imc to be there first<BR>sphinx-Amb: if not it will be a waist of time<BR>sphinx-Amb: Let people understand the imc politics first<BR>sphinx-Amb: truggle to start one<BR> Skidz1: i don't think they don't understand...</FONT></TT></DIV>
<DIV><TT><FONT color=#000000>sphinx-Amb: then the training will get a meaning</FONT></TT></DIV>
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<DIV>sphinx brings up really good comments here.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>i think having a blueprint for this project will help with other shipments to different parts of the world and continuing the practice and also for raising funds to help make it happen.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>ciao</DIV>
<DIV>sheri</DIV>
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<DIV>At 6:04 PM -0300 12/15/02, gaba wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">i dont know too much about africa but i think it would be great to support the imcs there. About preparing the project i think that is basic!. is shit to lose a container with machine that could help the movement. im a little worry about what is happening with the container to imc-ecuador. we should have a group discussing and working in the project in the usa to send them (it was really ok) and in the south to receive them. we have the working group in the south on the air. we didnt know how to receive them, we dont know how to distribute them... are really ppl interesting in the project on the south to take care about it? we all agree that is very important this project for imc collectives here in south america but we have to discuss it and search for legal and practice information to support it.<BR><BR>no se mucho sobre africa pero pienso que seria genial ayudar a imcs alli. sobre preaparar el proyecto pienso que es básico! es una mierda perder un contenedor con máquinas que podrian estar ayudando al movimiento. estoy un poco preocupada por lo que está pasando con el contenedor a imc-ecuador. debemo tener dicusiones en grupo y trabajo grupo en el proyecto en usa para enviarlas (fue hecho bien) y en el sur para recibirlas. tenemos el grupo de trabajo en el sur en el aire!!. no sabiamos como recibirlas, no sabemos como distribuirlas... hay realmente gente interesada en el proyecto en el sur para hacerse cargo de este? todos estamos de acuerdo que este proyecto es muy improtante para los colectivos de imc aqui en el sur de america pero debemos discutirlo y buscar información legal y practica para mantenerlo.</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">At 11:21 15/12/2002 -0800, evan@protest.net wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">To get the ball rolling. I was chatting with abc from Nigeria and<BR>sphinx from Ambazonia during the imc global meeting today. It seemed like<BR>it would be a good idea to start discussing a shipment of computers to an<BR>imc in Africa. Things work pretty slowly so starting now for a shipment in<BR>10 months to a year is probally enough lead time.<BR><BR>What do people think of this idea?<BR><BR>For those who don't know, the basic idea is to refurbish old computers in<BR>the US and ship them by the container to imc's in the third world. They<BR>can then use them for setting up indymedia center computer labs but also<BR>to wire and support many social movements and community radio stations.<BR>For Ecuador we shipped 235 computers. For Argentina we will probally be<BR>shipping fewer.<BR><BR>Draft grant for Argentina Shipment:<BR>http://internal.protest.net/osi/index.php?TechTrainingOsi</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><BR>Article about the Ecuador Shipment:<BR>http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/09/23/antiglobal_geeks/<BR><BR>One thing in general is we need to figure out how we decide where<BR>shipments go and in what order. For one thing it's SUPER important that<BR>the people recieving the computers be able to handle them. Both getting<BR>through customs but also the distribution and training. Remember that a<BR>container of computers weighs 8.7 metric tons! If we loose even a SINGLE<BR>container somehow then it will be much harder to get funding to keep the<BR>proejct going.<BR><BR>-evan<BR><BR>--<BR>---------------------------------------------------------------------<SPAN></SPAN>----<BR>| blog: anarchogeek.com <SPAN></SPAN> pgp: anarchogeek.com/pgp.txt |<BR>---------------------------------------------------------------------<SPAN></SPAN>----<BR>| Protest.net is an anti-this, anti-that website to divide, demoralize, |<BR>| and bring down the very frabric of America. Proudly lead by pacifist, |<BR>| godless, demented, berkenstock wearing, granola eating, peace-freak, |<BR>| moronic, unamerican, green, muslim, communist, faggot, liberal, |<BR>| serbian, arab, rag-head, anarchist, terrorist, scum, pigs and |<BR>| traitors. We're underemployed scumbag welfare sucking parasitic |<BR>| shelted uneducated intellecutals who are always explaining the root |<BR>| causes of terrorism, blaming america first, and whining about |<BR>| non-existant threats to civil liberties. <SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN></SPAN> |<BR>| GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! DEATH TO THOSE WHO STAND AGAINST US!!! |<BR>| <SPAN></SPAN> - All words from hate mail sent to protest.net |<BR>---------------------------------------------------------------------<SPAN></SPAN>----<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>imc-tech-solidarity mailing list<BR>imc-tech-solidarity@lists.indymedia.org<BR>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-tech-solidarity</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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