[imc-tech-solidarity] Summary & Logs of the Meeting
evan
evan at protest.net
Mon Jun 2 21:05:18 PDT 2003
These are the logs of the imc-tech-solidarity meeting on Thursday May
22nd.
Basically we decided to try and have the lawyers in argentina and
uruguay talk to the lawyers in brasil to see about getting the
computers across the border. As of June 1st all the computers are in
Oakland ready to be shipped out. This meeting is mostly in spanish.
There is another meeting, this thursday june 5th at the same time.
Esta es la logs de la reunion de imc-tech-solidarity por Jueves de 22
de Mayo.
Básicamente nos decidimos a hacer comunicación entra la abogados en
argentina y uruguay con los abogados en brasil a ver sobre
re-donaciones atreves la frontera. Desde 1er de Junio todos los
computadoras están en Oakland y están listo por embarque. La mayoría de
esta reunión fue en castellano. Hay una otra reunión esta jueves, 5 de
Junio por la mismo tiempo.
in solidaridad,
evan
[9:03] loulee-bsas: hola
[9:03] rosa: hola
[9:03] rabble-uy: quieren hacer esta reunion en castellano o do we want
to have the meeting in english?
[9:04] mic: lo
[9:04] mic: partes en ingles
[9:04] loulee-bsas: both.. half&half
[9:04] mic: y partes
[9:04] mic: bueno
[9:04] Frederico-SP: i don't kow castellano
[9:04] ***: hendrix is now known as hendrix_[rosario]
[9:04] Frederico-SP: actually i can read but I can't write
[9:05] loulee-bsas: eso está bien, para mi es lo mismo con portugues
[9:05] rabble-uy: portuspanglish
[9:05] loulee-bsas: si alguien no entiende avisa y se traduce
[9:05] loulee-bsas: ok?
[9:05] rabble-uy: sure
[9:05] Frederico-SP: can i write in portuguese?
[9:05] hendrix_[rosario]: fine by me
[9:05] Frederico-SP: posso escrever em português?
[9:06] loulee-bsas: it´s ok for me, i don´t know rabble and mic.. :-(
[9:06] rabble-uy: sure, if we have a question we can ask you cay say it
in english too :)
[9:06] mic: pues
[9:06] mic: no entiendo
[9:06] mic: pero
[9:06] rosa: if someone doesn't understand I can translate
[9:06] mic: good, and i only need to know parts
[9:06] rosa: from/to portuguese
[9:06] mic: of the conversation
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[9:07] mic: msg rabble-uy the new boareds are here
[9:07] mic: sorry
[9:08] rabble-uy: cool :)
[9:08] mic: yes, we haven't tested them yet
[9:08] mic: i'm putting the components in one now
[9:08] mic: they are beau ti ful
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[9:09] rabble-uy: Agenda:
[9:09] rabble-uy: Informes desde cmi's / Updates from imc's
[9:09] rabble-uy: Portland
[9:09] rabble-uy: Brasil
[9:09] rabble-uy: Argentina
[9:09] rabble-uy: Uruguay
[9:09] rabble-uy: Logísticas - Compus desde portland y seattle a
oakland
[9:09] rabble-uy: Números de cada colectivo reciben
[9:09] rabble-uy: Fechas y la propuesta por imc-finance
[9:09] rabble-uy: otros?
[9:09] ***: Frederico-SP has opped pablo
[9:09] rabble-uy: ->pablo: hey so we're doing the meeting mostly in
spanish with some portugese and english when people need translation,
because that was the language most people know best
[9:10] mic: time frame
[9:10] rabble-uy: creo una hora es bastante
[9:11] rabble-uy: no hay muchos cosas en la agenda.....
[9:11] loulee-bsas: alguien modera?
[9:11] rabble-uy: puedo, pero no queiro :)
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[9:12] ***: rosa is now known as rosa-brasil
[9:12] ***: pablo is now known as pablo-col
[9:12] ***: Frederico-SP is now known as FredFelipeMiguel-br
[9:12] rabble-uy: can somebody translate joshua's update regarding
portland?
[9:12] loulee-bsas: i can
[9:13] FredFelipeMiguel-br: na casa do fred
[9:13] rabble-uy: pablo o alguien quieren hacer una informe sobre que
anda en brasil con la proyecto?
[9:14] pablo-col: melhor alguem que nao eu dar o informe
[9:14] pablo-col: fred?
[9:16] ***: mic is now known as mic-cali-afk
[9:16] loulee-bsas: Quieren que empecemos con el informe de joshua?
[9:16] rabble-uy: si
[9:16] loulee-bsas: ok, traduzco al español la versión en ingles está
en la lista
[9:17] loulee-bsas: 1) ya estan lista la mitad de las pc, la otra mitad
se termina este find e semana
[9:17] loulee-bsas: la mayoria de las compus tienen 32 mb de ram y no
tienen cd rom
[9:17] loulee-bsas: 2) el plan es moverlas al area de la bahia el
proximo jueves 29
[9:18] ***: Signon by kellan detected
[9:19] loulee-bsas: 3) todavía estan tratando de ver cómo hacerlas
llegar a seattle pero siguen necesitando saber el tamaño total del
trasporte que van a necesitar (esta esto bien?)
[9:19] * loulee-bsas tengo una pregunta
[9:20] loulee-bsas: esta computadoras con 32 mb de ram son las que
vienen para latinoamerica?
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[9:20] loulee-bsas: are these 32 mb ram computers those that are coming
to latin america?
[9:20] rabble-uy: yes, these are the computers in portland and which
will be part of the shipment
[9:21] rabble-uy: si, las maquinas de portland con 32 mb de ram estan
parte de la embarque por america latina
[9:21] rabble-uy: la maquinas en oakland tiene 64mg o 128mg de ram
[9:22] ***: rabble-uy has opped nando
[9:22] loulee-bsas: empezamos con los informes por imc?
[9:22] rabble-uy: si
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[9:23] rabble-uy: loulee-bsas listo por argentina, FredFelipeMiguel-br
con brasil? Tengo por Uruguay.
[9:23] rabble-uy: Indymedia Uruguay estuvieron hacer una discusión
sobre la maquinas y nos pienso pedir recibir y usar 25 maquinas por la
cmi oficina/cyber cafe, y por muchos grupos en alianza con cmi uruguay.
[9:23] rabble-uy: Pensaron pedir hacer una camino por sacar la compus
atreves la frontera, pero es difícil.
[9:23] rabble-uy: fin
[9:24] loulee-bsas: no me queda claro cuál es la situación con las
fronteras?
[9:24] rabble-uy: loulee-bsas, hendrix_[rosario], o FredFelipeMiguel-br
hablan cuand estas listo
[9:24] rabble-uy: loulee-bsas complicado
[9:25] loulee-bsas: ok
[9:25] loulee-bsas: why?
[9:25] rabble-uy: no se, pienso pablo estuvo la semana pasado dije el
buscar sobre la regulas en Brasil sobre 're-exporacion' de la donacion
[9:25] loulee-bsas: eso es lo más complicado
[9:25] FredFelipeMiguel-br: We can legally receive the computers as
donation here
[9:26] loulee-bsas: puedo dar mi breve informe sobre bs as
[9:26] loulee-bsas: si nadie quiere hacerlo primero
[9:26] rabble-uy: si, sigue con la informes y despues hablarlo sobre la
imporacion/exporacion
[9:26] FredFelipeMiguel-br: but our lawyer says that he needs to know
about the argentinean law about the redonation
[9:26] loulee-bsas: ok
[9:27] loulee-bsas: fred, is ok with you if i write in español?
[9:27] FredFelipeMiguel-br: yes
[9:27] rabble-uy: ->FredFelipeMiguel-br: so are you getting ready to do
a summary / update for brasil?
[9:27] loulee-bsas: nosotros no tenemos problema para recibir donaciones
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[9:28] loulee-bsas: ya tenemos los papeles que necesitamos excepto,
claro, por el listado de equipos que todavía no está y una carta que
tiene que venir de estados unidos relacionada con este punto
[9:28] ***: brewtus is now known as brewtus-usa
[9:28] loulee-bsas: legalmente es más fácil recibir la donación
directamente
[9:28] loulee-bsas: es casi una condición
[9:28] ***: amino is now known as amino-U-S-A
[9:29] ***: rabble-uy has opped brewtus-usa
[9:29] loulee-bsas: la situación para recibir la donación de otro país
es más complicada por el tipo de legislación del país..
[9:29] loulee-bsas: eso por un lado
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[9:30] loulee-bsas: una observación al respecto es que no hay problema
si un barco queviene de USA para en Brasil descarga y sigue siempre que
esté la documentación correcta proveniente del lugar de origen de la
donación
[9:30] loulee-bsas: por otro lado, está en las listas una discusión
interna del colectivo de buenos aires que nos pareció importante
compartir con el resto de los imcs involucrados en este proyecto que es
la propuesta de distribución de las máquinas para argentina
[9:31] rabble-uy: no se, es una pregunta por los brasileros....
[9:31] loulee-bsas: aclaración está la de bsas y la de rosario
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[9:32] loulee-bsas: por otra parte nosotros escribimos una carta para
mercycoorps pidiendoles a ellos que trasladen gratis los equipos
[9:32] loulee-bsas: no se me ocurre nada más por el momento, si alguien
tiene alguna pregunta...
[9:33] ***: rabble-uy has opped e
[9:33] e: hola, i can stay for a short time. i helped build the
computers in us. my name is eddy
[9:33] loulee-bsas: hola
[9:33] rosa-brasil: hola
[9:33] ***: e is now known as e-ro
[9:34] loulee-bsas: si nadie tiene preguntas podemos seguir con los
informes a menos que eddy quiera acotar algo
[9:34] loulee-bsas: eddy, do you need to talk?
[9:34] e-ro: no. sorry
[9:34] loulee-bsas: ok, so we can move on
[9:35] loulee-bsas: rosario, brasil...
[9:35] rabble-uy: ->hendrix_[rosario]: hey you going to give an update?
[9:35] rabble-uy: ->FredFelipeMiguel-br: hey so are you goign to give
an update?
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[9:38] rabble-uy: ok, hendrix esta preocupado con otra cosas
[9:39] loulee-bsas: algunas cosa más entonces...
[9:39] FredFelipeMiguel-br: yes, we didn't list the groups we would
like to give the computers here, and we are doing this right now
[9:39] loulee-bsas: todo el trámite legal para bs as es el mismo que
para rosario por suspuesto
[9:39] ***: e-ro is now known as e-romania
[9:39] rabble-uy: creo si
[9:39] loulee-bsas: nosotros estamos trabajando juntos en esto, mismo
abogados, misma ong, etc
[9:39] loulee-bsas: si, es así
[9:40] hendrix_[rosario]: ok, ivank sent an email to the list
expñlaining a proposal for all the receiving collectives to show their
real needs
[9:40] rabble-uy: una pregunta, como podemos connect the lawyers in
brasil con la lawyers in argentina and uruguay to address the legal
issues?
[9:40] pablo-col: one of the problems with that proposal is that needs
are much higher than offer
[9:41] loulee-bsas: by email?
[9:41] pablo-col: in sao paulo alone we could use over a 100 if we
explored all our options
[9:41] hendrix_[rosario]: then get real
[9:41] hendrix_[rosario]: we could donate everybody a computer too but
we wont
[9:41] pablo-col: i dont think 60 computers for a city collective is
real
[9:42] loulee-bsas: ???
[9:42] hendrix_[rosario]: then you agree
[9:42] pablo-col: if we have 10 collectives in brasil, argentina and
uruguay and we have only 260 comp...
[9:43] hendrix_[rosario]: detail the projects
[9:43] rabble-uy: let's look at it this way, buenos aires wants 35,
rosario 24, and uruguay 25
[9:43] rabble-uy: that's 84 computers
[9:43] pablo-col: buenos aires said they want 60
[9:43] rabble-uy: the rest can go brasil
[9:43] pablo-col: its not reasonable or equitative
[9:43] loulee-bsas: when??
[9:44] rabble-uy: TOTAL: 39 computadoras, 2 monitores, 2 teclados...
[9:44] loulee-bsas: una cosa, nuestra idea es que la repartición sea
equitativa
[9:45] loulee-bsas: las mismas no se limitan a trabajos en una sola
ciudad por otra parte
[9:45] e-romania: sorry i have to go...lo siento, adios
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[9:46] loulee-bsas: podemos avanzar?
[9:46] hendrix_[rosario]: and at least there is a detailed description
of the needs
[9:47] loulee-bsas: nosotros entendemos que todos los equipos vienen
para ser utilizados en proyectos muy interesantes y que van a ser de
gran utlidad tanto para los diferentes imc locales como para la gente
de los diferentes movimientos sociales con los que trabajamos
[9:47] mic-cali: --could i give a short shipping update?
[9:47] loulee-bsas: siempre se puede escuchar cualquier contrapropuesta
que sea seria... no 200 computadoras para brasil y 10 para argentina
[9:47] rabble-uy: ahora hay 39 por buenos aires, 25 por uruguay, 24 por
rosario, y 172 por brasil
[9:48] loulee-bsas: y cuantas computadoras hay?
[9:48] loulee-bsas: en total...
[9:48] mic-cali: no se, en total
[9:48] rabble-uy: creo 260 (pero no muy seguro)
[9:48] hendrix_[rosario]: bueno, nosotros solo pedimos que se describan
los proyectos y sus necesidades
[9:49] hendrix_[rosario]: no decir "queremos 200 porque somos muchos"
[9:49] rabble-uy: nos escuchamos a mic por una informe sobre la embarque
[9:49] rabble-uy: mic go a head
[9:49] FredFelipeMiguel-br: Can I paste the list of our projects here?
[9:49] mic-cali: the freight forwader has not given me final numbers yet
[9:49] mic-cali: but i think:
[9:49] mic-cali: 2500 for 20 x 8
[9:50] mic-cali: $2500 for 20 x 8
[9:50] mic-cali: $163 / cubic meter
[9:50] mic-cali: like evan has said
[9:50] mic-cali: it will be more expensive to separate shipment
[9:51] mic-cali: we will be shipping out of richmond
[9:51] rabble-uy: mic-cali, is a 40 x 8 a $2800?
[9:51] mic-cali: not oakland
[9:51] mic-cali: yes, i think
[9:51] mic-cali: he said this over phone
[9:51] mic-cali: but not yet written down
[9:53] mic-cali: also, more financial:
[9:53] mic-cali: payment is really due on june 1st
[9:53] mic-cali: but, if we leave on the june 14th, we get half of the
money back
[9:54] mic-cali: this is for the storage space
[9:54] rabble-uy: ->mic-cali: done?
[9:55] mic-cali: evan, did you use rosemare for ecuador
[9:55] mic-cali: ?
[9:55] rabble-uy: mic-cali yes
[9:55] mic-cali: okay <done>
[9:55] rabble-uy: we used rosemark and it worked out pretty well, i've
never used anybody else so i dont' know if that's typical or not
[9:55] loulee-bsas: seguimos con el informe de brasil..
[9:56] rabble-uy: ->FredFelipeMiguel-br: go for it
[9:56] rabble-uy: FredFelipeMiguel-br, es su turno
[9:58] FredFelipeMiguel-br: about the laws
[9:58] FredFelipeMiguel-br: we can receive the computer as donation
with exemption
[9:59] FredFelipeMiguel-br: and our lawyers need to check the
argentineans and uruguayans papaers to see about redonating to there
[10:00] FredFelipeMiguel-br: I did rough list of the groups we would
give the computers in São Paulo
[10:00] FredFelipeMiguel-br: and the computers we would send to other
cities where there are the other IMC brazil collectives
[10:01] rabble-uy: FredFelipeMiguel-br so please paste it in
[10:01] FredFelipeMiguel-br: that are: Rio, Goiania, Porto Alegre, Belo
Horizonte, Fortaleza, Salvador (+ Sao Paulo)
[10:02] rabble-uy: and the groups?
[10:04] FredFelipeMiguel-br: And there are cities we're people are
forming IMC groups: santos, abc, sao jose, caxias do sul, pelotas,
campinas, rio grande, cuiaba, espirito santo, belem, brasilia, recife
[10:04] FredFelipeMiguel-br: the computers to São Paulo are:
[10:05] FredFelipeMiguel-br: Santos:
[10:05] FredFelipeMiguel-br: Rede Libertária da Baixada Santista 4
[10:05] FredFelipeMiguel-br: Coletivo Alternativa Verde 4
[10:05] FredFelipeMiguel-br: Campinas:
[10:05] FredFelipeMiguel-br: Rádio Muda: 2
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[10:05] Frederico: and there are the other 6 cities:
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[10:05] Frederico: Rio: 25
[10:05] pablo-col: fred, nao chegou o que vcs colaram
[10:06] pablo-col: manda os dos grupos de sp
[10:06] pablo-col: um por um pra vcs nao cairem
[10:06] Frederico: ok
[10:06] Frederico: sorry, I'll try to paste again the SP groups
[10:06] Frederico: Santos:
[10:06] Frederico: Rede Libertária da Baixada Santista 4
[10:06] Frederico: Coletivo Alternativa Verde 4
[10:07] Frederico: Campinas:
[10:07] Frederico: Rádio Muda: 2
[10:07] Frederico: Mogi das Cruzes:
[10:07] Frederico: Ação reação s26: 4
[10:07] Frederico: Embu:
[10:07] Frederico: Centro Cultural Santa Tereza: 4
[10:07] Frederico: São Bernardo do Campo:
[10:07] Frederico: Ativismo ABC: 4
[10:07] Frederico: Curitiba:
[10:07] Frederico: Casa da Ponte: 3
[10:07] Frederico: São Paulo:
[10:07] Frederico: Espaço Nove: 5
[10:07] Frederico: Anita Garibaldi: 6
[10:07] Frederico: Centro de Cultura Social: 2
[10:07] Frederico: Cacorê: 2
[10:07] Frederico: Espaço Socialista: 2
[10:07] Frederico: Centro de Contrainformação Anarqusita: 2
[10:07] Frederico: Movimento Ambiental Revolucionário: 6
[10:07] Frederico: Ação Local por Justiça Global/Instituto de cultura e
Ação Libertária: 4
[10:07] Frederico: Resitência Popular/Luta Libertária: 4
[10:07] Frederico: Comitê Avante Zapatista: 2
[10:07] Frederico: Coletivo Periferia: 2
[10:07] Frederico: Ação Educativa: 6
[10:07] Frederico: Lumiar: 10
[10:07] Frederico: Espaço Germinal: 4
[10:08] Frederico: Grupo tortura nunca mais 3
[10:08] Frederico: União de Mulhjeres de SP: 3
[10:08] Frederico: LinuxChix: 4
[10:08] Frederico: Radio livre ufscar 2
[10:08] Frederico: Radio usp de Sao carlos 2
[10:08] Frederico: radio da unesp 2
[10:09] Frederico: radio livre usp 2
[10:09] hendrix_[rosario]: you're giving computers to universities?
[10:09] Frederico: no
[10:09] hendrix_[rosario]: usp?
[10:10] Frederico: is the way we call the groups
[10:10] Frederico: but they are not from the universities
[10:10] pablo-col: its a free radio - radio libre
[10:10] hendrix_[rosario]: sorry, mistook it for usp.br
[10:10] pablo-col: thats inside the university, butits independent -
esta en la universidad pero es independiente
[10:10] Frederico: the universtities already have their own radios
[10:11] Frederico: and the other cities:
[10:12] loulee-bsas: avacemos por favor,
[10:12] Frederico: rio: 25, porto alegre 35, belo horizonte 20,
fortaleza 20, goiania 20, salvador 20
[10:13] loulee-bsas: lo unico que me molesta es que hagan un
escandalete porque nosotros pedimos 40 compus :-)))
[10:13] loulee-bsas: no entiendo...
[10:13] Frederico: do you want a list for the rio 25?
[10:13] hendrix_[rosario]: send an email to the list
[10:13] loulee-bsas: no
[10:13] Frederico: ok
[10:13] loulee-bsas: por favor, por mail
[10:13] Frederico: I'll
[10:13] pablo-col: loulee: no entiendo porque estas asi - tenemos
colectivos en 20 ciudades
[10:13] loulee-bsas: el tiempo en que podemos estar todos reunidos es
demasiado valioso
[10:14] hendrix_[rosario]: i think itd be cool to see the list of
projects in each city, thats all
[10:14] hendrix_[rosario]: shouldnt bother you ppl
[10:14] loulee-bsas: ??
[10:15] loulee-bsas: avanzamos??
[10:15] Frederico: avançamos
[10:16] loulee-bsas: yo ya no entiendo nada, no tengo absolutamente
ningun problema pero me confunde que un día sean 17 otro día 7 y ahora
20
[10:16] loulee-bsas: nada más
[10:16] loulee-bsas: solo felicitarlos
[10:16] Frederico: son 7
[10:16] loulee-bsas: bueno ponganse de acuerdo
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[10:16] FredMiguelFelipe: hola, miguel hablando
[10:16] rabble-uy: ->FredMiguelFelipe: hwo many computers for sao paulo?
[10:16] pablo-col: loulee ya te explique que somos 7 formados y muchos
en formacion
[10:17] FredMiguelFelipe: me gustaria clarear eso de los colectivos
[10:17] pablo-col: y qe como recibimos donacion de transpòrte
[10:17] pablo-col: se va a distribuyr a todas las ciudades
[10:17] loulee-bsas: está buenisimo
[10:17] loulee-bsas: avancemos
[10:18] * loulee-bsas : podemos seguir con lo de las reexportaciones
[10:18] loulee-bsas: ??
[10:18] loulee-bsas: quiero decir una sola cosa:
[10:18] rabble-uy: si, podemos luchar sobre la numeros por horas
[10:19] hendrix_[rosario]: yo me tengo que ir, espero que ivank llegue
a ver el resto del chat
[10:19] loulee-bsas: el único problema que yo veo con la cantidad de
compus que vamos a recibir es que honestamente me parece que va a haber
que hacerles mucha ingeniería (juntar, etc) las maquinas para que
sirvan para algo
[10:20] rabble-uy: como can we coordinate the communication about legal
issues between argentina and brasil
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guerra contra el capital.)
[10:20] loulee-bsas: ok
[10:20] hendrix_[rosario]: bye
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[10:20] loulee-bsas: puedo dar un informe?
[10:20] rabble-uy: sure
[10:21] loulee-bsas: nuestro abogado dice que es muy peligroso lo de as
reimportaciones porque no se terminó de legislar al respecto en la
ultima modificación que se le hizo sobre el tema de dinaciones
[10:21] loulee-bsas: nos recomendo seriamente no intentarlo
[10:21] loulee-bsas: dijo que muy probablemente quedarían en la aduana
para siempre
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[10:22] loulee-bsas: no tengo ningún problema en pasar mail o teléfono
para que se comuniquen con los abogados en brasil
[10:22] loulee-bsas: solo quería compartir lo que ya hablamos al respeto
[10:22] loulee-bsas: fin
[10:22] FredMiguelFelipe: what about the possibility of doing two or 3
stops
[10:22] FredMiguelFelipe: ?
[10:22] FredMiguelFelipe: end
[10:22] rabble-uy: FredMiguelFelipe that costs $10,000
[10:22] loulee-bsas: stosp are ok
[10:22] rabble-uy: no they aren't, we CAN NOT AFFORD stops
[10:23] loulee-bsas: fuck!!!!!
[10:23] loulee-bsas: why?
[10:23] rabble-uy: let's return to the world of the possible please
[10:23] loulee-bsas: because of the money only
[10:23] loulee-bsas: ok
[10:24] loulee-bsas: so?
[10:24] rabble-uy: necesitamos coordinar los abogados
[10:25] loulee-bsas: les proponems que se reunan en el irc ??
:-))))))))))
[10:26] loulee-bsas: bueno, que se coordinen, esos es fácil
[10:26] loulee-bsas: yo soy el contacto con los abogados por bsasy
rosario
[10:26] loulee-bsas: ¿quien por brasil?
[10:27] loulee-bsas: ????
[10:28] rabble-uy: posible los abogados pueden cordinar atreves email?
[10:28] FredMiguelFelipe: yes
[10:28] FredMiguelFelipe: I'll give the emails of our laywers
[10:29] FredMiguelFelipe: wait a minute
[10:29] loulee-bsas: si
[10:29] loulee-bsas: yo no tengo aca el mail de los abogados nuestros
pero puedo mandar a fred,miguel, felipe
[10:30] rabble-uy: tampoco por uruguay
[10:30] loulee-bsas: my email is loulee at inventati.org you can send me
an email and i´ll answer with our lawyers address
[10:30] rabble-uy: evan at indymedia.org
[10:30] rabble-uy: fin con esto?
[10:30] loulee-bsas: si
[10:31] rabble-uy: tenemos dos mas cosas por la agenda
[10:31] rabble-uy: Logísticas - Compus desde portland y seattle a
oakland
[10:31] rabble-uy: Fechas y la propuesta por imc-finance
[10:31] FredMiguelFelipe: the emails are: scap at uol.com.br and
cospexfogo at uol.com.br
[10:31] loulee-bsas: perdón ¿esos son los mails de los abogados?
[10:32] FredMiguelFelipe: si
[10:32] loulee-bsas: ok
[10:32] loulee-bsas: continuemos
[10:32] loulee-bsas: logistica???
[10:32] rabble-uy: ok, mic you still here?
[10:32] mic-cali: yes
[10:33] rabble-uy: ok, so joshua said they were thinking of bringing
the boxes down on the 30th
[10:33] mic-cali: but where are we?
[10:33] FredMiguelFelipe: scap at uol.com.br es Dra. Miriam e
cospexfogo at uol.com.br es Dr. Ruy Fernando
[10:33] mic-cali: bueno
[10:33] loulee-bsas: gracias:)
[10:33] rabble-uy: so can you talk directly with him, i don't know if
we have more work on those boxes or not
[10:33] FredMiguelFelipe: send a copy for both
[10:33] loulee-bsas: yes
[10:33] FredMiguelFelipe: please
[10:33] rabble-uy: but i assume that sometime that week we can ship
out, provided paperwork for brasil is ready
[10:33] loulee-bsas: wait
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[10:34] loulee-bsas: we also have our papers in order
[10:34] mic-cali: yes!
[10:34] rabble-uy: pablo and FredMiguelFelipe can you be really ready
ready by hte first week of june?
[10:34] rabble-uy: loulee-bsas and you?
[10:34] loulee-bsas: probably
[10:34] loulee-bsas: the thing is
[10:35] rabble-uy: mic-cali we will be getting the bill of lading, from
somebody, i'm not sure, and we will need to make certified copies and
then have it faxed and sent to brasil, uruguay, and argentina
[10:35] loulee-bsas: probablemente nosotros no podamos recibir nada
[10:35] loulee-bsas: ustedes tienen que tener claro este punto
[10:35] rabble-uy: loulee-bsas look you've had 6 fucking months to work
on this!
[10:35] loulee-bsas: porque de hecho es es lo que ya me dijo el abogado
[10:36] loulee-bsas: what are you talking about evan, please!!!!
[10:36] loulee-bsas: i have all i need
[10:36] * rabble-uy applogises for getting upset
[10:36] loulee-bsas: youre upset no me importa lo que me importa es que
es incorrecto lo que decís
[10:37] loulee-bsas: nada mas digo que se haga conciente que haciendo
las cosas de esta manera de hecho están mandando todo a brasil y que
nada va a llegar a ningun lado mas
[10:37] loulee-bsas: que es la realidad
[10:37] mic-cali: rabble-uy does the freight forwarder give us the bill
of landing?
[10:37] FredMiguelFelipe: We can be ready at the first week of june
[10:38] rabble-uy: mic-cali i think we get it when we give the
computers to the truck guy with teh container but i'm NOT sure
[10:38] rabble-uy: mic, you should ask jim at rosemark
[10:38] mic-cali: yes,
[10:38] mic-cali: i will figure that out
[10:39] rabble-uy: loulee-bsas ok, we can try and see if we can get a
second shippment via mercycorps paying for hte argentina part, BUT
let's assume that won't work just in case
[10:39] mic-cali: then it is us, rosemark that does the faxing?
[10:39] loulee-bsas: si pero
[10:39] mic-cali: nevermind
[10:39] loulee-bsas: si esa es la unica posibilidad real de traer cosas
a bsas/rosario/uruguay... sería importante privilegiarlo
[10:39] rabble-uy: mic-cali gotta ask jim, we get teh paperwork and
have to do the leg work for customs and the like
[10:40] loulee-bsas: podrias leer el documento
[10:40] loulee-bsas: ver cómo avanzamos co eso
[10:40] loulee-bsas: para poder definirlo antes de que manden tooooodo
a brasil y nos quedemos el resto de los colectivos de latinoamerica sin
nada
[10:40] loulee-bsas: digo no me parece algo secundario
[10:40] loulee-bsas: como para asumir que no va a venir nada
[10:40] loulee-bsas: si no avisen y me retiro
[10:41] mic-cali: rabbly-uy okay, but i assume our "agents" at the
receiving ports have taken care of their end?
[10:41] loulee-bsas: digo para clarificar y saber qué decir en argentina
[10:41] loulee-bsas: ya hay na decision tomada y es que todo va a brasil
[10:41] rabble-uy: mic-cali that's what we need to get them the bill of
lading for
[10:42] loulee-bsas: y que quizás si de casualidad se puede aunque por
el momento tenemos que asumir que no, quizás algo llegue para el resto
de los colectivos.. para ser claros y saber qué informar a nuestros
compañero.
[10:43] FredMiguelFelipe: I think the argentineans are right, we have
to be sure that it will be possible to redonate the compter to them and
uruguay
[10:43] mic-cali: rabble-uy okay, do i need fax numbers, or is it
general, and does jim know?
[10:44] rabble-uy: bueno, pero por esto nosotros necesitamos hacer una
discussion entra la abogados en argentina, brasil, y uruguay
[10:44] rabble-uy: no podemos hacer nada aca
[10:44] rabble-uy: mic-cali you need to get that fax number from the
brasilians, uruguayans and argentines
[10:45] mic-cali: rabble-uy sorry, but, are they all here
[10:45] rabble-uy: i don't have the uruguay fax number here, ask
loulee-bsas and FredMiguelFelipe for their fax numbers
[10:46] rabble-uy: i will email you it tomorrow
[10:46] loulee-bsas: we don´t have a fax number
[10:46] mic-cali: tnx
[10:46] rabble-uy: so do we have to make a decision about what to do if
we can't import the computers to argentina/uruguay from brasil?
[10:47] rabble-uy: loulee-bsas poderia hablar con una cafe de internet,
hay muchos adonde vos puedes recebir una fax
[10:47] loulee-bsas: i want all of them to come to argentina, rabble
:-)))
[10:47] loulee-bsas: and then ill see if i can reexport it to ¿where?
¿brasil?
[10:47] rabble-uy: do you have donated free shipping?
[10:47] rabble-uy: and lawyers?
[10:47] loulee-bsas: por el fax, el voy a enviar un mail a mic con un
fax al cual nos puedan escribir
[10:48] loulee-bsas: lawyers yes
[10:48] loulee-bsas: so this is it
[10:48] FredMiguelFelipe: Brazilian Fax number ++ 55 11 38124319
[10:49] rabble-uy: ok, la final cosa, la propuesta por imc-finance
[10:50] rabble-uy: ahora escribando esto, puedo envinar a la lista de
imc-tech-solidarity y imc-latina, pueden cada enlace (liaison) por cmi
dar eso por su cmi por apoyando la propuesta por la plata?
[10:50] rabble-uy: lo siento para la feo castellano
[10:51] pablo-col: rabble: i think we need to have some option in the
likely case we can redonate to argentina
[10:51] pablo-col: something like a commitment to send a next shipment
soon with mercycorp money or something
[10:51] rabble-uy: regarding the imc-finance proposal, i'm writing it
out, i'll send it to imc-tech-solidarity list and imc-latina, can each
liaison bring it to their imc for htem to support the proposal
[10:52] rabble-uy: pablo-col we have loulee-bsas's document, and i will
work with knom and sheri to try and get mercy corps to support it, if
we can i think we should send them a 20 foot container seperately as
that would be MUCH easier
[10:52] pablo-col: en caso de que no funciona la redonacion te parece
bien eso loulee?
[10:53] FredMiguelFelipe: We'll bring the proposal to Brazil colletcives
[10:53] loulee-bsas: lo voy a charlar con la gente de argentina
[10:53] * rabble-uy will bring the proposal to the cmi uruguay reunion
a lunes
[10:54] ***: nando is now known as marcela
[10:54] rabble-uy: bueno, tenemos otra cosas por esta reunion?
[10:55] loulee-bsas: is necesary to have an other meeting?
[10:55] rabble-uy: yes
[10:56] rabble-uy: once we know what the lawyers say, we will need to
decide whether we send one container or try adn get merycorps to pay
for a second container
[10:56] rabble-uy: (we will try and get mercy corps to pay ANYWAY) :)
[10:58] FredMiguelFelipe: if you send two containers, how uruguay will
get the computers?
[10:58] loulee-bsas: i think from argentina is ok, is a zona franca
[10:59] loulee-bsas: not all the country of course
[10:59] rabble-uy: FredMiguelFelipe also people go back and forth a LOT
from uruguay to montevideo, the boat is $10
[11:00] rabble-uy: estamos fin?
[11:00] mic-cali: bueno
[11:00] rabble-uy: quien quieren escribir una informe sobre esta
reunion por la listas? :)
[11:01] loulee-bsas: tenemos el log?
[11:01] rabble-uy: tengo
[11:01] pablo-col: rabble: usually the log is hard to read, can you
also make a summary?
[11:01] rabble-uy: i think we should have somebody make a summary :)
[11:02] rabble-uy: especially for this chat por que es en dos linguajes
[11:04] loulee-bsas: rabble can you send the log to the list please?
[11:04] rabble-uy: sure
[11:04] loulee-bsas: thanx
[11:04] loulee-bsas: it´s finished?
[11:05] mic-cali: i'm finished
[11:05] amino: congratulations guys
[11:06] rabble-uy: yep
[11:06] rosa-brasil: well, bye to everybody
[11:07] amino: bye
[11:07] rabble-uy: chau todos
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