[New-imc] Re: [Imc-finance] leaving the working group

[boud]

hi everyone,

i think we should stick to the practice of having a local decision on
whether a site should be removed from cities.inc while waiting for the
group to reorganise. In both the Prague and France cases, there were
local decisions requesting this. In the WMass case, it seems to me
that the only problem is that they are low in numbers and not yet up
to critical mass. In this situation, i'm sure that *they* should be
quite capable of deciding this locally, especially given that (as far
as i've checked) *all* their mailing lists seem to have open archives:

http://lists.wmassimc.org/mailman/listinfo

IMHO, this is a much healthier situation than some of the IMCs who
had/have problems...

i'm sure if someone asks politely, they would respond...


On Sun, 25 Aug 2002, Amber Black wrote:

...
> Finally, as to your comments that questions about our status have been met 
> with silence and/or angry emails, I am confused and surprised by that 
> news.  I subscribe to all the wmass lists except tech, (and until recently, 
> was one of the moderators), my phone number has been used for contact info, 
> and with the exception of 2 or 3, I was at every main organizing meetings 
> from the start of the effort in the fall of '01.  And I don't recall seeing 
> or hearing about any such questions being posed to our collective, or being 
> replied to.


Well, a (quick, probably incomplete) browsing of the archives shows
that it seems that the WMass people *would* accept global tech help:

http://lists.wmassimc.org/pipermail/imc-wmass-tech/2002-July/000083.html

> Arc,
> 
> If you or Rabble are offering to assist, by all means do so!
> 
> There have not been any other recent offers of help.
> 
> Basically there are 6 people in the "tech collective" of Western Mass.  One
> of them has been too busy to do anything IMC-related from the get-go, two 
> of them are young and fairly unreliable/busy/whatever, and one is doing
> audio work but doesn't have any system administration knowledge yet.
> 
> I'm coordinating a bunch of pretty complex global IMC projects, and that to me
> takes precedence over getting the local site up (which I have maintained
> consistently I would prefer not to do alone).  Chaos is running/maintaining 
> the lists as well as doing 10,000 other important things this summer.
> 
> If there are actual offers from folk elsewhere such as yourself, go for it.
> 
> Set up old-Active on overloaded Stallman/Inglis.  If at some point we 
> have enough interested parties locally to work consistently on the 
> local server, we'll move over to using SF-Active there.  As it stands
> right now Long Island IMC will likely be using the local server in the 
> near future, and there is one other potential group coming onboard 
> if they get back to me.


The same email also shows some "angry" words (i'll let people look these
up themselves), but they are clearly not meant to hurt anyone:

> (btw, don't take that comment above the wrong way.  I know you continue to
> do a lot of good things on the global level, just as I do.  Everyone's
> busy.) 

i suggest anyone interested browse the WMass archives and try talking
to the locals and offering concrete help...

solidarity
boud