[New-imc] getting better with the liaison question for new applicants

Fri Dec 20 00:35:03 PST 2002

hi everyone,

i think clarissa's question here points out that maybe we aren't 
being clear enough when we talk to the new imc applicants about this 
point.  this is one of my biggest issues because i think as a network 
it is one of our greater weaknesses.  so if we can start here during 
the new imc process and make sure that they understand which lists 
they need to have empowered liaisons - communication and finance and 
then which lists they should ideally have people on like tech and 
process.....then i think we are starting off on the right foot :))

sorry to keep harping on this, but it really makes it difficult to 
have a liaison process or democratic lists without the kind of 
representation that is needed for a network of this size and growing 
at this rate.

peace
sheri

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>Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:25:25 -0800
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>hi clarissa,
>
>this is a very important question and thanks for raising it.  this 
>is something that imc-finance and new imc have both discussed.  new 
>imc working group now tries to make it explicit during the new imc 
>process which lists each new imc collective needs to be 
>participating on.
>
>At 10:04 AM -0800 12/19/02, clarissa peterson wrote:
>>I was wondering if someone could suggest which global lists each IMC should
>>have liaisons to.
>
>but the lists that currently should have liaisons in a more 
>"official" capacity are imc-communication and imc-finance.  imc-tech 
>and imc-process are two other lists where participation is key.
>
>imc-finance specifically has a process that requires there to be 
>empowered liaisons (each local imc has someone they agree to be on 
>the list; it can be up to two people acting as liaisons).  in fact, 
>i encourage liaisons from this list to make sure that you have 
>someone from your local that you want to have on the list sign up. 
>things have been a bit lax over on imc-finance with regard to 
>"empowered liaisons" and there may be some people there who are not 
>there in any capacity and there may be some people who are there 
>from a local imc but not acting as a liaison.  we're working to 
>change that on finance.  here's some background information 
>specifically about that:
>
>april 10, 2002
>liaisons on imc-finance list
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-finance/2002-April/001205.html
>
>as far as what a liaison's responsibilities are, here are some rough 
>guidelines:
>
>a.  help share some of the list responsibilities as outlined above 
>(rotating responsibilities such as list summaries -- if each person 
>did it every 2 weeks, that means only once every 18 months and 
>that's not bad in terms of workload);
>b.  participate in discussion and action items;
>c.  make sure your local imc is informed of all proposals and 
>decisions made (make sure global information gets passed on to the 
>local); and
>d.  make sure information from your local is brought back to the 
>global in a timely fashion (when discussing a proposal that has a 
>larger amount and thus needs the input from each local imc).
>
>>
>>There are a lot of global lists, and for people who are not so familiar with
>>them, it's hard to figure out which lists are actively used, and what their
>>purposes are. Most of the list descriptions on lists.indymedia.org are
>>fairly vague. I've been actively involved with my local IMC for more than a
>>year, and I still haven't been able to figure out how global decisions are
>>made, and what is supposed to happen on each of the global lists.
>
>another good question.  some of us are really working hard to help 
>with documentation and getting information flowing better across all 
>the nodes in the network.  i would say that global decisions are not 
>really happening on any lists except for imc-tech, imc-finance and 
>imc-communication (because they are confirming new imc's decisions 
>re applications for membershp to the network).  www-features is 
>making decisions because they put up features to the global site, 
>but that is open for anyone to make proposals and they are always 
>looking for more help.
>
>the imc-summaries working group is trying to get each list to do 
>list summaries so that there can be easier access to all the lists 
>information.  it's impossible for people to keep up so we HAVE TO 
>HAVE LIST SUMMARIES.  this is based on debian news, which is an 
>international development network that has a very successful model. 
>we've really only done it minimally.  here's an example of what one 
>might look like:
>
>Network (tech and nontech) summary dec 2001
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-summaries/2001-December/000029.html
>
>and here's the email where i compiled all the summaries i could find 
>(not that many):
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-commwork/2002-December/001223.html
>this might give you a nice snapshot of alot of happenings across the 
>network during the past 18 months.
>
>>It's obvious that some lists are relevant to all IMCs (like imc-process) and
>>I would think it's important that each IMC is represented on that type of
>>list.  Other lists are relevant to the global site or global projects (like
>>www-features) and participation seems to be on an individual basis.
>
>yes!  as i mentioned above, features is based on an individual basis 
>and not on local imc participation, but they are always looking to 
>have wider and more participation from people, particularly outside 
>the us.
>
>>Which lists should our IMC make sure that we are partcipating in, to avoid
>>missing out on important information or decisions? Currently we only have
>>"official liaisons" to imc-communication, and people from our IMC who are on
>>other lists are there only on their own behalf.
>
>i'd suggest imc-finance for starters and imc-tech :)
>
>sheri
>seattle imc
>(not as a liaison)
>
>>Thanks
>>Clarissa
>>DC IMC
>>
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