[New-imc] Re: IMC-Palestine Application Response

[Jay]

Hi everyone,

I only have one second to respond, then I will likely
be away from e-mail for a few days.  Glad to see many
people with different opinions contributing to this
important disussion.  Again, Heather and
imc-palestine, as I'm sure you can tell, all comments
are coming from a position of the utmost admiration
for your group and the wonderful work you're going to
do as imc-palestine.  

I do still think that directing
jerusalem.indymedia.org to imc-palestine would have
some effect on some people in imc-israel -- at the
very least, they should be informed a decision is
being made and should have the opportunity to
participate.  I think the word 'veto' doesn't
accurately describe that kind of participation.  My
other quick thought is that what Mike says below may
be an interesting idea.  Directing
jerusalem.indymedia.org may have an effect on
imc-israel, but direction jerusalem.indymedia.org.pl
to imc-palsetine doesn't seem to.  In that case, as
Heather says, the question would be how to link
Jerusalem in the left column, but I think it would be
a much less difficult decision.  Perhaps then
jerusalem.indymedia.org could be a place for projects
that happen jointly with work from both imc-israel and
imc-palestine? :-)

Wish I had more time to write and throw around
ridiculous ideas.  Looking forward to seeing how this
conversation has progressed when I can get to e-mail
again.

With respect to all,

Jay



--- M R <miketivist at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> --- gekked <gekked at blackflag.net> wrote:
> > 
> > It is controversial to call it
> > jerusalem.indymedia.org, but like any
> > other IMC we have set up, it basically conveys
> > geographic,
> > region-based information. For example, when we
> began
> > processing
> > Euskalherria (Basque) IMC, did we consult
> Barcelona
> > IMC for their
> > official view? Perhaps the situation is a little
> > different, but I
> > think one can see the similarities. I don't think
> > the domain name
> > alone commits Indymedia as a whole worldwide
> network
> > to a particular political position. 
> 
> The main difference here however is that Jerusalem
> is
> the political of both Israel and Palestine, whereas
> Euskalherria is not the capital of Catalunia.
> 
> The name choice is controversal, and it is good for
> the IMC to support the controversal.  It is a
> question
> that has not been faced in this way yet.  The
> Chiapas
> IMC has a separate url from the Mexico IMC.  The
> Hawaii IMC, which has many posts from those who want
> native sovereignty, does use the name of a US state.
> 
> Every situation is unique and not totally relevant
> to
> the the other.
> 
> I think IMC-Israel folk should know about the
> proposed
> IMC-Palestine url, but a veto does not seem wise or
> even necessary.
> 
> The Palestinian Authority does have a top-level
> domain
> ".ps", and Israel has ".il".  IMC-Israel uses the
> url
> indymedia.org.il, so the use of the name jerusalem
> in
> a different top-level domain may not impact
> IMC-Israel's feelings on the use of the url.
> 
>  
> > So, to that extent... I support imc-palestine
> > deciding on a domain
> > name itself, with input and debate/discussion from
> > the new-imc's
> > group, but not imc-israel in particular, and I
> > certainly think we
> > should move cautiously into deciding how and why
> to
> > 'veto' this or that. 
> > 
> > ryan
> 
> One thing I haven't seen yet is how the new IMC and
> the Israel one would be listed in the IMC left nav. 
> Right now Israel is the only Middle-Eastern IMC and
> is
> under its own name as its heading.  India has a
> similar case.  Should these all go under an "Asia"
> heading?  Should there be a "Middle East" heading? 
> Where would this put Pakistan when the IMC there
> ultimately goes online?  It makes sense to move
> Israel
> from its own heading once Palestine is up there, as
> no
> matter what the outcome, those two groups are
> inexorably linked.
> 
> I hope this helps,
> Mike
> 
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