[New-imc] IMC France freeze - cities.inc, contact.php3

evan at protest.net evan at protest.net
Sat Jul 6 21:08:53 PDT 2002 

I've made the changes to the cities list and on teh contacts page.

-evan

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, boud wrote:

> [en] SUMMARY
> - brief summary of decision to freeze IMC France site
> - specific details for modifications to cities.inc, contact.php3
>
> The wording below was circulated on imc-france with no objections:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france/2002-July/003477.htm=
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>
> [fr] R=C9SUM=C9
> - r=E9sum=E9 de la d=E9cision de geler le site IMC France
> - d=E9tails concrets poru les modifs =E0 cities.inc, contact.php3
>
> Le texte ci-dessous a =E9t=E9 circul=E9 sur imc-france sans objections :
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france/2002-July/003477.htm=
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>
>
> blicero, mark, or someone else, could you make the changes please ?
> thanks
> boud
>
>
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> subject : gel d'IMC France/freeze of IMC France
>
> [fr] EN FRAN=C7AIS CI-DESSOUS
>
> [en]
> Dear friends,
>    Despite the difficulties of decision-making in an Indymedia
> collective which is not yet fully functioning and which has suffered
> people being distracted into either unproductive behaviour or in a few
> cases quite destructive behaviour (personal attacks and newswire
> spamming), propositions have made for a "freeze" (formerly called a
> "closure", but we now think "freeze" is a more accurate and more
> positive word) while people reorganise and go through the indymedia
> basics of organising techniques at http://newimc.indymedia.org . This
> idea has been hanging around for several months, quite some progress
> was made in local organising, with the plan to make an "audit" during
> the second last week of June. However, the lack of ability to resolve
> one particular editorial conflict, the lack of participation in the
> audit, and the lack of resolving longer term key issues (e.g. creating
> a clear, consensual, practical editorial policy) made it clear that
> the collective has not yet gone through the new-imc process, and
> that the continued use of the newswire would only be a distraction
> from the basic needs of organising.
>
> So, propositions for the freeze were made, and given the situation, quite=
 a
> lot of discussion of these occurred - without any blocks (one implicit
> block was made and then withdrawn) - the versions of the proposition
> as it evolved and URLs to comments are synthesised here (in French):
>
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france/2002-July/003476.htm=
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>
>
> The links in the above point to comments on specific changes to the
> newswire and other parts of the site. Most of these will (hopefully)
> be implemented locally (and the good news is that at least two city
> based IMCs are on the way to being formed - IMC Ile-de-France and
> IMC Nice - and there is already IMC Euskal Herria, which so far
> doesn't seem to have made any comments).
>
> But below are three changes to two files
>
> (1a) cities.inc
> (1b), (1c) contact.php3
>
> to to be implemented globally:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france/2002-June/003447.htm=
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>
> (see below in [en]+[fr])
>
>
> [fr]
> Chers amis,
>    Malgr=E9 les difficult=E9s de prise de d=E9cision dans un collectif
> Indym=E9dia qui ne fonctionne pas encore au plein niveau et qui
> a souffert la distraction des gens vers des comportements peu
> productifs ou parfois assez destructifs (attaques personnelles et
> le spammage du newswire), des propositions pour un =AB gel =BB (ant=E9rie=
urement
> appel=E9 une =AB fermeture =BB, mais nous pensons maintenant que =AB gel =
=BB
> est plus pr=E9cis et plus positif) pendant que l'on s'organise et
> qu'on fasse les =E9l=E9ments des techniques d'organisation sur
> http://newimc.indymedia.org . Cette id=E9e =E9tait dans les parages depui=
s
> plusieurs mois, pas mal de progr=E8s a =E9t=E9 fait pour s'organiser
> localement, et il a =E9t=E9 pr=E9vu de faire un bilan pendant l'avant-der=
ni=E8re
> semaine de juin. Or, le manque de capacit=E9 =E0 r=E9soudre un conflit =
=E9ditorial
> particulier, le peu de participation dans le bilan, et les progr=E8s
> lents dans certains des crit=E8res d'appartenance d'un collectif local au
> r=E9seau indym=E9dia (ex. la cr=E9ation d'une politique =E9ditoriale clai=
re,
> consensuelle et pratique) a laiss=E9 aucun doute que le collectif n'avait
> pas encore fait tout le processus new-imc, et que l'usage continu du
> newswire ne serait qu'une distraction des besoins de s'organiser.
>
> Des propositions pour un gel ont donc =E9t=E9 faites, et vu la situation,
> pas mal de d=E9bats ont =E9t=E9 faits - sans blocage (un blocage implicit=
e a
> =E9t=E9 fait, et a =E9t=E9 retir=E9 par la suite) - une synth=E8se des ve=
rsions de
> la proposition pendant son =E9volution et les URLs vers des commentaires
> se trouve ici :
>
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france/2002-July/003476.htm=
l
>
>
> Les liens dedans montrent des commentaires sur des changements sp=E9cifiq=
ues
> sur le newswire et sur d'autres parties du site. La plupart seront (on
> l'esp=E8re) impl=E9ment=E9 localement (et la bonne nouvelle est qu'au moi=
ns
> deux IMCs bas=E9s dans les villes sont en cours - IMC Ile-de-France et
> IMC Nice - et IMC Euskal Herria existe d=E9j=E0, mais ils n'ont rien dit
> pour l'instant).
>
> Mais il y a trois modifications =E0 faire aux deux fichiers
>
> (1a) cities.inc
> (1b), (1c) contact.php3
>
> du r=E9seau global :
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france/2002-June/003447.htm=
l
>
>
>
> MODIFICATIONS cities.inc, contact.php3
>
>
> (1a)
> [fr] ENLEVER france.indymedia.org de cities.inc
> [en] REMOVE france.indymedia.org from cities.inc
>
> http://www.indymedia.org/cities.inc
>
> (1b) [fr] sur la page
> [en] on the page
> http://www.indymedia.org/contact.php3
>
> [fr] ENLEVER
> [en] REMOVE
>
> > FRANCE IMC
> > email contact: france at indymedia.org
> > email contact (gilles): imcfrance-contact at egroups.fr using subject [gil=
les]
> > email contact (mathias): imcfrance-contact at egroups.fr using subject [ma=
thias]
> > email contact (massalia): imcfrance-contact at egroups.fr using subject [m=
assalia]
> > imc-france mailing list: imc-france at lists.indymedia.org
> > imc-france mailing list archive and subscription
> et
>
>
> (1c) [fr] sur la page
> [en] on the page
> http://www.indymedia.org/contact.php3
>
> [fr] RAJOUTER dans la section "REQUESTED IMCs":
> [en] ADD, in the section "REQUESTED IMCs":
>
> ##########
> Ile-de-France IMC + Nice IMC
>
> liste principale:
> mailing list  mailto:imc-france at lists.indymedia.org
> archives      http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france
> subscribe     http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-france
>
> =E9ditoriale:
> mailing list  mailto:imc-france-edito at lists.indymedia.org
> archives      http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france-edito
> subscribe     http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-france-edit=
o
>
> nouveaux IMCs:
> mailing list  mailto:imc-france-nouveaux at lists.indymedia.org
> archives      http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france-nouvea=
ux
> subscribe     http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-france-nouv=
eaux
>
> technique:
> mailing list  mailto:imc-france-tech at lists.indymedia.org
> archives      http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france-tech
> subscribe     http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-france-tech
> ##########
>
>
> solidarit=E9
> boud
>
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>
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