[New-imc] SUN 23 JUN EVENING AFTER 16:00 GMT tech help needed IMC France

[Bart]

Everyone,

I personally think if you remove the open publishing part, it's no longer an 
indymedia site. So it should be removed defacto out of the cities list. 
Having an Open Publishing newswire is one of the core parts of the membership 
criteria / Principles of Unity & I don't feel like having imc's in the cities 
list which just remove their OP.

After that they can be allowed back in the cities list if they've gone 
through new-imc process (which seems quite necessary anyway considering all 
what has happened to them).

Bart


On Saturday 22 June 2002 23:09, someone who identified itself as boud wrote:
> <new-imc, imc-tech, imc-france-tech, imc-france,
> mark at linefeed.org, blicero at ecn.org>
>
> Dear new-imc people,
>    Maybe someone else will give you an update in English on the IMC Fr
> situation, but in short, IMHO, it's very similar to the Swiss
> situation, plus the fact that the collective had sort of
> split/dissolved/scattered and that although the reforming collective
> was heading in the right direction, it did not manage to get up and
> running and dealing with basic things like editorial policy,
> separation of personal issues from indymedia issues, respect, trust,
> etc. in time to cope with the equivalent of the Swiss precedent.
>
> Here's red kitten's closure proposal:
>
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france/2002-June/003406.html
>
> from Thurs evening which has not been blocked, so i've proposed a
> deadline of
> 18:00 SUN 23 JUNE European Summer Time
> 16:00 SUN 23 JUNE GMT
> for any final comments:
>
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france/2002-June/003422.html
>
> Given that an activist association "SOS-Racisme" whose aims, in
> principle, are to combat racism, but which seems to be linked to a
> major political party in France, has threatened legal action as of Mon
> 24 June, and since we seem to have a consensus anyway, i would be
> surprised if anyone thought blocking the proposal was worth it.
>
> (The only reason why i'm cross-spamming :( is because of this urgency
> and since it's a weekend...)
>
>
> TECHNICAL DETAILS OF CLOSURE
>
> mark, blicero, other techies, would you be able to help imc-france
> people do the required changes once the 18:00 SUN 23 JUNE deadline has
> passed (if it is not blocked on imc-france) ? i've cc-ed
> imc-france-tech.
>
>
> The main elements of closure, which so far seem to be consensed on,
> are:
> - closure of publish.php3 and the newswire
> - removal of the newswire data base from public access
>
> Something more radical (and IMHO not urgent) proposed is:
> - deletion of the newswire data base
>
> But the general appearance would remain the same and there would be
> lots of central column stuff (like on the Swiss site) to explain the
> situation, to explain to people the new-imc process ;) and to point
> people to the existing mailing lists.
>
>
> CHANGES TO CONTACT.PHP3 (after 18:00 SUN 23 JUNE if no block on imc-france)
>
> There seems to be consensus for obvious changes to contact.php3:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france-nouveaux/2002-June/000
>107.html
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france/2002-June/003411.html
>
>
> (1b) on the page
>
> > http://www.indymedia.org/contact.php3
>
> REMOVE
>
> >>FRANCE IMC
> >>email contact: france at indymedia.org
> >>email contact (gilles): imcfrance-contact at egroups.fr using subject
> >> [gilles] email contact (mathias): imcfrance-contact at egroups.fr using
> >> subject [mathias] email contact (massalia): imcfrance-contact at egroups.fr
> >> using subject [massalia] imc-france mailing list:
> >> imc-france at lists.indymedia.org
> >>imc-france mailing list archive and subscription
>
> and
>
> (1c) on the page
>
> > http://www.indymedia.org/contact.php3
>
> ADD in the section "REQUESTED IMCs" [even though they haven't really
> been requested yet, but we don't have a CONTACT MADE BUT NOT-YET
> REQUESTED IMCs section and quite a few of the REQUESTED IMCs are not
> quite requested yet, methinks...]
>
> ##########
> Ile-de-France IMC + Nice IMC
>
> liste principale:
> mailing list  mailto:imc-france at lists.indymedia.org
> archives      http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france
> subscribe     http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-france
>
> éditoriale:
> mailing list  mailto:imc-france-edito at lists.indymedia.org
> archives      http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france-edito
> subscribe     http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-france-edito
>
> nouveaux IMCs:
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> archives      http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france-nouveaux
> subscribe    
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-france-nouveaux
>
> technique:
> mailing list  mailto:imc-france-tech at lists.indymedia.org
> archives      http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france-tech
> subscribe     http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-france-tech
> ##########
>
> An afterthought, still for contact.php3: you should add in a link to
> the closed (but informative) site, something like:
>
> site en construction: http://france.indymedia.org
>
> i'm sure noone would oppose this.
>
>
>
> There's not yet a consensus on
> (1a) removing france.indymedia.org from cities.inc
>
> red kitten argued against:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france/2002-June/003419.html
>
> but i argued in favour:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-france/2002-June/003422.html
> because 1) people who already know the site won't forget the address,
> and new web-surfers incapable of guessing the name don't really need
> to be redirected to the site, and 2) it would make life more difficult
> for new-imc to keep "restructuring sites" on cities.inc (it would also
> be inconsistent given that prague accepted to be taken off while
> restructuring, and would make it more difficult to make it clear which
> sites have accepted status and which do not)
>
> Maybe new-imc people could give their opinion on cities.inc
> removal by replying to the imc-france list?
>
> A possible compromise would be to keep the word "France" on
> cities.inc, but have it point to contact.php3#france (if this in-page
> link exists).  But then the problem is that all sites under
> reconstruction, or requested with existing sites, could insist that
> they have the same treatment.
>
>
> solidarity
> boud
>
>
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