[New-imc] working group?

Tue Mar 5 13:25:03 PST 2002

hi bart and all the new imc people,

thanks bart for the initiative and the work to clean up the list and 
having us all introduce each other.  it makes a big difference and 
feels good to "see" all these folks from all over on this list.  it 
would be nice too to see where each person is from on the list 
without having to go to the link.  just to see if we have any gaping 
holes in terms of who is here, etc.  this is a huge improvement 
though.  thanks again bart!

working group:

in the beginning of setting up this list, we talked about this list 
being a working group, as distinct from a discussion list which is 
how many of the other lists operate.  the communication list was just 
a general list and so we created commwork list which is really a 
working group list and i really appreciate the difference.  what that 
means for this list is we wanted people who joined this list to 
actually help and share the collective responsibilities.  there are 
many ways to do this as you can imagine if you are paying attention 
at all :))).  if people couldn't or didn't want to, then perhaps they 
could watch things on this list by going to the list archives.

this has been controversial when brought up on other lists, and i'm 
not sure why.  but i think it just means people are wanting to have a 
solid group of people, not just a few people, who all work together. 
that's the ideal.  what has happened on this list is that a handful 
of people have done the majority of work.  which is often the case in 
indymedia network, perhaps cause many people don't realize how much 
work it takes to keep things moving in the best way possible.  alot 
of the complaints and criticisms i hear usually could be solved with 
some solutions that have already been proposed in many places (i have 
a list of proposals over time that's out of date but points out how 
many good ideas we have for how to improve things).  the problem is 
those solutions usually involve time, create energy, work, often 
collective work, other resources.  to many people, alot of that work 
remains invisible.

by changing the dynamic on a few of the lists where work is going on, 
perhaps we can change the dynamic throughout and build awareness of 
the work that is involved.

i just hope that this list will be more of a working group with a 
solid group of people who want to help out because it will help us 
collectively achieve more of what we'd like to see across the 
network.  i think people associate decentralization to "there's not 
as much to do on the network level".  i've heard people say that. 
the assumption is all the work is at the local level.  but that is 
not reality nor is it the ideal.  because you forget that the other 
part of the phrase "decentralized network" is the word network and 
that implies connection, coordination, collaboration, communication, 
and more.

documenting who we are:

before this list was started about 10 months ago or so, there were 
discussions on other lists about coordinating the things that needed 
to be done, and using a giant "to do" list for the network to help 
organize all the various tasks we had.  and we even put together some 
good lists of things.  in that way others who were less involved 
could see how much work goes into keeping things flowing well, and 
learn how they can plug in, seeing what had been done before.  which 
is key and something we as a social and digital network haven't done 
very well.  even in seattle we have problems with this - helping 
people plug in -- and i've heard it echoed in many places.

i think one part of the problem at the systemic level is that we lack 
documentation of our processes and the tasks that need to be done and 
a kind of history of the organization.  oh we have it, in chunks and 
bits of pieces here and there and it's more consoldiated in some 
places, but this "imc documentation project" as i like to call it is 
about institutional memory and that makes it easier for us not to 
reinvent the wheel, to share what has been done better with new imcs 
and enables new people to find a way to get involved.

todo.indymedia.org:

todo.indymedia.org was created for the tech collective, but it was 
expanded thanks to the work of a few folks to include the other areas 
in the network.  one good thing about this process is that it asks us 
to document our process and asks people to be accountable for what 
they say they are going to do.  just makes collective process a bit 
more organized and clear.  so things don't fall through the cracks.

perhaps we could try it, but it may not be necessary for this list 
cause we're relatively organized and have a solid core of committed 
folks.  i point it out because there are tasks that each list needs 
to take on - like roll calls, doing regular list summaries.  this 
list has other tasks and responsibilities that are also necessary.

i'd really like to ask if there are others who are interested in 
helping out with concrete tasks on this list.  susan has offered to 
help with the new imc page draft i sent earlier.  that's awesome 
susan.

there's something about working in a group (list) and feeling like 
alot of people don't say anything ever and yet they are there.  to 
me, personally, that doesn't feel comfortable.  perhaps with this 
roll call and with unsubscribing people who didn't bother to go 
through the roll call we will have changed that dynamic.

to me a working group is more about a group of people you can rely 
on, call on, talk to, share tasks and ideas and feel supported by. 
that to me is what we need on this list and the other lists where 
alot of work happens.

this is something i've said before, but since we're in the process of 
changing this list with this roll call, i felt the need to share it 
again.

thanks
sheri
seattle imc

At 3:41 PM +0100 3/5/02, Bart wrote:
>Hey Everyone,
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>[Summary]
>1. Overview of the roll calls
>2. People who got unsubscribed
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>1. Overview of the roll calls
>Ana
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001234.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001234.html
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>Andy (nonoboy)
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-November/002482.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-November/002482.html
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>Anna
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001268.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001268.html
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>Arc
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002920.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002920.html
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>Bart
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001214.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001214.html
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>Boud
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002921.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002921.html
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>Blackwidow
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-December/002550.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-December/002550.html
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>Brian (sharpie)
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001282.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001282.html
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>C. Van Andel
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-January/002693.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-January/002693.html
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>Chris Bryant
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002926.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002926.html
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>Chris Strohm
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001222.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001222.html
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>Clemens
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-October/002228.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-October/002228.html
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>Dave Bonan
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002917.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002917.html
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>Deja
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-June/001540.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-June/001540.html
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>Dri
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-February/002870.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-February/002870.html
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>Evan
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002919.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002919.html
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>Flow
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-February/002852.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-February/002852.html
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>Gabeluba
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-February/002854.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-February/002854.html
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>Geoffrey Young
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002916.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002916.html
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>Jay
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001220.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001220.html
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>JBR
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-October/002277.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-October/002277.html
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>M.R.
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-February/002792.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-February/002792.html
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>Petros Evdokas
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-June/001644.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-June/001644.html
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>Proletarian Productions
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-August/001952.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-August/001952.html
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>Ryan (gekked)
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001249.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001249.html
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>Sascha
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001243.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001243.html
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>Sheri
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001270.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001270.html
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002918.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002918.html
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>Sue
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-November/002496.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-November/002496.html
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>Susan
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001449.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/001449.html
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002927.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2002-March/002927.html
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>Thatcher Collins
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-September/002129.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-September/002129.html
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>Torstein
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-November/002493.html>https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-November/002493.html
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>2. People who got unsubscribed.
>- I unsubscribed everyone who's mail delivery got disabled (mostly 
>that's because they're e-mail address isn't working)
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/ab006--at--chebucto.ns.ca>ab006 at chebucto.ns.ca | 
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/autogestion--at--entelchile.net>autogestion at entelchile.net | 
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/at992--at--bard.edu>at992 at bard.edu | 
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/czaroslav--at--wp.pl>czaroslav at wp.pl | 
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/environmentalrescue--at--yahoo.co.uk>environmentalrescue at yahoo.co.uk | 
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/imc--at--bloomingtonweb.com>imc at bloomingtonweb.com | 
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/imc_nl--at--hotmail.com>imc_nl at hotmail.com | 
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/kevsmith--at--canada.com>kevsmith at canada.com | 
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/laurenliberty--at--mediaone.net>laurenliberty at mediaone.net | 
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/new-imc--at--atomicjoe.on.ca>new-imc at atomicjoe.on.ca | 
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/paulemick--at--aol.com>paulemick at aol.com | 
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/scaredsacred--at--tao.ca>scaredsacred at tao.ca | 
><https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/simon_imc2--at--canoemail.com>simon_imc2 at canoemail.com | 
><mailto:zma73 at yahoo.com>zma73 at yahoo.com
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>- The following people will be unsubscribed after this mail because 
>they didn't do a roll call:
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/billwelm--at--charm.net>billwelm 
>at charm.net | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/blackwidow--at--bluemarble.net>blackwidow 
>at bluemarble.net | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/c.arlo--at--galactica.it>c.arlo 
>at galactica.it | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/cybercholito--at--hotmail.com>cybercholito 
>at hotmail.com |  
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/haitzak--at--yahoo.com>haitzak 
>at yahoo.com | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/imc--at--natecull.org>imc 
>at natecull.org | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/joshua--at--linefeed.org>joshua 
>at linefeed.org | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/k3cul1ak--at--hotmail.com>k3cul1ak 
>at hotmail.com | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/kidar194--at--yahoo.com>kidar194 
>at yahoo.com | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/media--at--granul.at>media 
>at granul.at | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/mslisa--at--home.com>mslisa 
>at home.com | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/rev_bri--at--yahoo.com>rev_bri 
>at yahoo.com | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/rudiratte--at--gmx.net>rudiratte 
>at gmx.net | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/s26prisoners--at--yahoo.com>s26prisoners 
>at yahoo.com | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/samuelh--at--ntlworld.com>samuelh 
>at ntlworld.com | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/shane--at--indymedia.org>shane 
>at indymedia.org | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/spada--at--ifrance.com>spada 
>at ifrance.com | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/spud--at--nothingness.org>spud 
>at nothingness.org | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/tavmail--at--espnow.com>tavmail 
>at espnow.com | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/thallara--at--watson.wustl.edu>thallara 
>at watson.wustl.edu | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/tony--at--irational.org>tony 
>at irational.org | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/vrpr--at--shepooarts.hr>vrpr 
>at shepooarts.hr | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/waal--at--toolsforchange.org>waal 
>at toolsforchange.org | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/yucsrules--at--hotmail.com>yucsrules 
>at hotmail.com | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/zert--at--int80h.net>zert 
>at int80h.net | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/boelberg--at--comm.umass.edu>boelberg 
>at comm.umass.edu | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/dzzpsib--at--os.hinet.hr>dzzpsib 
>at os.hinet.hr | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/hkosmidi--at--hal.csd.auth.gr>hkosmidi 
>at hal.csd.auth.gr | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/keith_v--at--yahoo.com>keith_v 
>at yahoo.com | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/mediacollective--at--students.sou.edu>mediacollective 
>at students.sou.edu | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/meditabundo--at--starmedia.com>meditabundo 
>at starmedia.com | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/micherock--at--yahoo.com>micherock 
>at yahoo.com | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/paort--at--uol.com.br>paort 
>at uol.com.br | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/resist--at--best.com>resist 
>at best.com | 
><http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/options/new-imc/sunduk--at--tut.by>sunduk 
>at tut.by  | 002 at hotmail.com
>
>It is possible I missed some roll calls, but I really browsed the 
>archives well ...
>If you want to rejoin the list; subscribe again and do a roll call.
>
>Greetings,
>
>Bart
>

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