[New-imc] Liason Model (was BLOCK: IMC-Rogue)

[Blicero]

> I think before any "liason-only" system can be put in place that a clear
> system needs to be put in place that includes a period of time which all
> IMCs are asked to have a liason go through some sort of training, which
> could consist of just reading over a few online documents, to become
> familiar with process etc.  It cannot simply be brought into being when
> something is blocked as a way to ignore that block.
> 

one note:
this discussion has already gone over for ages
so don't appeal to more time becasue it just does not make sense
at the same time i agree that if your local imc REALLY discussed the matter and
still is willing to block for very serious reason that convince other imc and
people to discuss the issue then we should stop and talk some more
but if this block does not make any sense to anyone else, consensus means also
accepting that your reasons to block are not being shared by others
consensus is not meant to become a place where tyrants are the individuals
position

> I'm going to propose the following system as a starting point, this isnt
> a formal proposal, I'm not asking for people to express an opinion on it
> or approve it etc, just a starting point for discussion:
> 
> 1) A date is set for the new system to go into place, during which time
> individuals can still block as the liason process isn't in place yet.
> This can be as little as a month, as much as three months, from when
> it's consensed on to begin operating by a liason-only model.
> 

was already so
read italy imc proposal

> 2) Clear documentation be posted on a public website for the liason
> model, how to join the list, how to make proposals, how to process
> proposals locally, etc.
> 


this is surely useful 


> 3) Once the system is in place, liasons bring global proposals to the
> local IMC meetings.  Any member of any IMC can ask for up to 4
> additional weeks to research an issue, during which time it's marked "in
> discussion".  Discussion of the issue is expected to continue during
> this time.
> 

this makes sense


> 4) A local IMC, during this time, can come to consensus to block a
> proposal.  This must be through true consensus, even if the local IMC is
> operating against the principals of unity  (ie, NYC-IMC), any member of
> that IMC can block the IMC's block, thus preventing any single IMC from
> adopting a non-consensus process to negetivly effect the NIMC.
> 

i don't feel going into bureaucratic details to rule all imc mechanisms around
the world
to me one should stick to the sense of the proposal

the sense is this
if a group of people discuss something of a relationship with other group of
people and has doubts, thatn the network wait to see what'sup
the balnce between individuals pull and collective mediation should be upholded
constatly
and there is no measure of brueaucracy which can guarantee this

seems to me that facing crisis instead of trying to stick with the general sense
of things we dip down in breaucracy
at the point that the only thing we discuss is not content or political things
but the process to do the things
and when we have the process if there is no more shared vision and will to
network projects, what will we use this process for ?

process without project is an empty shell

> 5) If any member of an IMC has concern over an issue, even if consensus
> cannot be reached locally to block the issue, that concern must be
> forwarded to the list in question either through the liason or through
> the list moderator (who approves posts by non-members of list).  IMCs
> which cannot reach consensus to either block or approve an item are
> considered to "stand aside", if too many IMCs (set number, percent, etc)
> stand aside the issue has not reached consensus and is thus not
> approved, without anyone having to block.
> 

voice concerns and listen to them always makes sense
i discovered much more can be achieved this way than blocking an yelling over an
issue

> I think the above system is pretty standard for a spokes-council, which
> I view the liason model for being very similar to.  I believe this is

just a note because there were huge fight about spokeperson vs liason
we wanted to make a difference for a reason

we do not believe in representation
we believe in communication and relations

there is a GREAT difference

 solidarity and respect


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ciao
blicero