[New-imc] IMC-GALIZA (internal approval - deadline 21/Apr/2003 - 00h00m GMT)

[boud]

hi everyone,
   IMC Galiza looks like a good group, but i have some concerns.
(1) Information on open, public meetings is hard to find (i couldn't find it).
(2) point m. of membership criteria - the cities list is out-of-date
(3) open publishing - no comments seem to be possible

(1) should be easy to correct, but is important
(2) is minor, but should be easy for Debian geeks to fix ;)
(3) is important, but seems to be a common problem to IMC Nice, IMC
Paris, IMC Nantes and IMC Galiza, who all use spip-indy...

Could we try to sort out these problems, especially (3), before
accepting IMC Galiza internally at new-imc, please? i've emailed IMC
Nice and IMC Paris to find out whether it's me who is confused about
comments, or whether there really is a confusion or divergence of
viewpoints on whether or not comments should be part of open
publishing.

It would also be good people from IMC Galiza could join global lists,
especially:
imc-communication (already someone?)
imc-finance
imc-tech

and a regional list:
imc-europe at lists.indymedia.org

(or maybe it's time to make imc-iberia, if imc-europe is too busy?)

Indymedia is not just about local autonomy, it's also about networking
and good communication.

thanks
boud

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On 17 Apr 2003, Jo wrote:

> Presentation [en]
> 
> The ideia I get from the all process regarding Galiza IMC application is
> that the people who proposes the creation of IMC Galiza seem quite
> organized and capable, both humanly and technically, to mantain an IMC.
> I suppose the ten years of activities of the casaencantada social
> project makes that point.
> They have also developed some projects regarding prisioners and aids
> (http://causaencantada.org/presos/ and
> http://causaencantada.org/presos/sida/taboa.htm) also
> http://causaencantada.org/presos/libros/infor/tortura/onu/onu1.htm.
> I would take too long to describe the projects but I recommend the
> visit. 

All looks good :).
 
> This people mantains several social activities, namelly through their
> social center(casaencantada) and their causaencantada that is a group of
> groups that develops several actvities. The site will be hosted by their
> hacklab. In this part of the planet people looks at technology like a
> away of capitalim to explore (same applyes to Portugal), their hacklab
> has been making some effots to introduce the GNU project and Debian as
> ways of social communication and struggle rather than capitalist
> exploitation. 

Great!
 
> They have gone through the several steps of New IMC has described in
> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowTo and putted some work
> on compilling the several documents necessary to the discution.
> They have also put together their web site
> (http://imc-galiza.causaencantada.org/). On the site namelly in the
> "QUEM SOMOS" link they have the description of the process of creating
> IMC Galiza as well as an envitation with a detailed howto of how to join
> the Galiza IMC.

i cannot find information on where readers can find out times/dates/places
of open, public meetings. 
(1) It would be good to put this clearly on the site.
 
> For the emails exchanged with them as well as some IRC meetings i was
> informed and could see through theit website they have contacted several
> other groups and the IMC proposal comes after those contacts. They have
> been metting face to face with people from the Radio Calimero and people
> from some photo colectives. You will find some of the info regarding
> these meating in their mailing list.

Looks like a good start.
 
> Membership criteria Accordance
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-April/003644.html

IMHO, the version 003644.html doesn't really count much - many of these
points can require a lot of work - just saying you agree is not the same
as doing the work of putting something into practice.

But this version looks OK to me:
http://imc-galiza.causaencantada.org/article.php3?id_article=57

except that 

(1) it doesn't give information on how to participate in
public meetings.

(2) point M. - the list is not up-to-date with 
http://lists.indymedia.org/cities.inc

> Editorial Policy
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-galiza/2003-April/000087.html
> A much more poethic version in Gz in their website.

It's here:
http://imc-galiza.causaencantada.org/article.php3?id_article=59

i'm a bit worried that 
 (3) they seem to be using the same version of spip-indy which doesn't
seem to allow any comments to articles, which to me seems inconsistent
with open publishing.
 
> Declaration of principles 
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-galiza/2003-April/000086.html

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