[Imc-liege] Re: [Imc-belgium-process] [blicero@ecn.org: [New-imc] on imc belgium and so on]

[joel napolillo]

salut, (fr, sorry)

juste une petite réflexion, bien que j'aprécie ce genre de mail
consensuel ;)

D'accord, à Paris il y a autant de population qu'en belgique, et il
faut 2 heures pour traverser les pays, alors que c'est le temp qu'il
faut pour faire NYC, ...
C'est cependant un raccourci facile le fait de mesurer la diversité au
nbre d'habitants. La belgique est certes un petit pays, mais avec 3 (2
grosses) communautés linguistiques et 3 régions. Maintenant, faut pass
être naïf, un IMC à aarschot ou à Bastogne, ca n'a pas beaucoup de
sens, mais faire des IMC dans les "grandes" villes du pays (il n'y en
pas tant que ça), je ne vois pas où les problèmes. Créer un IMC local
ne veut pas dire obligatoirement parler des évènements locaux, mais
aussi, comment cette partie du globe pense et comprends le monde?
Avoir un IMC local permet aussi des contacts avec les collaborateurs,
qu'un national ne permet pas (on dit souvent que liège-bruxelles,
c'est 1 heures; le trajet du train, ok, mais avec le reste des
déplacements, c'est le double + le cout du train, c'est kan meme plus
cher que le metro qu'on ne paye pas;)

je n'ai jamais dit que j'étais contre un IMC belge (alors que certains
voudrait me faire dire des choses que je n'ai pas dite), je dis
simplement que chez nous, on a encore beaucoup de travail, et que
cette question passe en second plan (pour moi et certains)

je passerai probablement à l'AG de .be

joe ttx





En réponse à han <han at indymedia.be>:
> ------------------ Début du message d'origine --------------------
> Hi
>
> For a collective answer you really will have to wait untill
> the next general
> assembly of  the .be collective.  Other collectives : W-vl,
> Liege, video,
> circus, ... are hopefully discussing this at their next
> meetings.
> As we have people on holiday's and a lot of people not using
> e-mail to
> discuss such things, it is jus impossible to be able to take a
> collective
> stand.  So we will have to wait untill the beginning of
> september to have a
> collective stand.
>
> > i really don't see why
> > a. people in various region start an imc and promote its use
> > b. people presently doing imc be (since they are actually
> all based in
> > bruxelles) don't do bruxelles imc
> > c. belgium becomes a portal to all this different things
> >
> > i don;'t really see why this proposal is not reasonable to
> imc be people
> > and/or
> > to other regional imc in belgium
>
> I can give you my personal thoughts.
> Belgium is smaller than a city like Rome, Londen, Paris, NYC,
> Washington,
> ... You should take that into consideration.  It takes les
> time to get from
> one  Belgian city to Brussels than it takes to get from a
> suburb from Paris,
> Berlin, London, ... to the city center.
>
> I said before that I personally like the idea of local IM's.
> But we have a
> long way to go to get there.
> What does local mean.  The proposal by Bart speaks about 11
> provinces, but
> those are adminstrative borders that do not mean verry
> much,...
> For instance we  have people in Mons, Charleroi, Mechelen,
> Antwerpen,
> Leuven, Sint Niklaas, ... Those people do work on a  local
> level (if
> somethings happens in their city they report) but I think
> those people will
> not be very happy if they need to work on provincial website.
>
> We have probably more people working on the railways, busses,
> schools &
> universitys, ... then there are people  living in some
> provinces or main
> city's?  So what does local mean?
> It will take time to enable people to set up local IMC's and
> to figure out
> what local means.
>
> And than there is the issue that we have a Belgium collective,
> with people
> from the different language communities working together.  We
> deliberately
> did this to enable people to work together.  As for  me this
> is one of the
> strong things of the .be collective.
>
> ...
>
> And the main question to me is : What are problems we are
> trying to find a
> solution for.  And I think that the main problem "diversity"
> will only be
> "moved" from the .be level to the local level.
> We will not have more diversity if we have 11 sites reporting
> on the same
> issues, having the same debates, ....  What does diversity
> mean?  Does it
> means more different issues, problems, reports, media, .... or
> does it mean
> telling 11 times the same story with the same picture from a
> different
> angle?
> That said, I think that local site should start right away if
> they there is
> a local collective that would like to do this.  As for me they
> can work
> within the .be collective or start a whole new site (like
> w-vl).
>
> ---
>
> So these are some of my personal ideas on this whole debate.
>
> I think we will be able to sort all this out, but I think it
> is bad idea to
> force things and to go for "fast-solutions".
>
>
>
> 
> ------------------- Fin du message d'origine ---------------------

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