[New-imc] indymedia estrecho :: help needed with server

Fri Aug 22 06:50:25 PDT 2003

Hi boud
thanks for your message

i´ll check out your suggestions and comments.

we do have a problem with the list. We asked for an indymedia
list early in the process and it looks like we got it: imc-estrecho
but then the password never got to us - or we lost the message.
and i keep sending mails to different addresses with no answer.
can anyone help with this or suggest who to contact?

open lists:

yes, i believe we are not planning any illegal violent actions,
and i believe we wouldn´t have any problem in having open lists,
especially if that is the norm in the global network.

We do have now a bunch of lists, that we haven´t opened at indymedia
because that part of the process has been a bit opaque to me
who have been working as contact person. It is probably because
it takes a while to learn one´s way around the processes.

I will send an mail to our different lists to ask people to make
the lists open / public. I wouldn´t say they are¨"secret" however,
people just have to suscribe and our policy has been to let join
the list to whoever applied.

server:
We got a bit stucked with the server. From very early on we were
offered space in texas, but then it seems like the server there
doesn´t support sf-active which is the code that we are using.

I believe pseudopunk is helping chaser, our tech contact person,
with finding a new one... i´ll keep you guys informed.

Europe / Africa:
As far as the Europe / Africa election... that´s a difficult
one. In our statements we asked to be placed in some kind of
new category. Actually the imc-estrecho indymedia list -still
inactive because of the admin problems- is placed in the global
category. A good alternative as far as i am personally concerned
would be to be on both spaces: Europe AND Africa. 

Information updates:
I have updated the new imc file several times. I believe it does
contain the mission statemente and editorial policy. We will
updated whatever else is needed!

Give me a few days to check in detail all your suggestions, some
of them i have of course to present to the estrecho network.

thanks in any case for your help. It is not easy to know all
the time what we are supposed to do concerning the global network!
As you may know we have done most of the process without having
any contact person to guide us around, and that has been a bit
difficult! We still don´t but i guess we are almost there!

Cities list:
I do have a proposal about the indymedia cities list:
I find kind of strange to have categories such as United States,
Europe, Canada, Latin America, Africa.

Wouldn´t it be more... democratic... or let´s say egalitarina,
or even logical to have strictly continents or regions: that
is to eliminate United States as a category and put Northamerica
instead?

At the beginning of the network the way it is now could have
made some sense, but [imho] it doesn´t make so much sense any
more.

all the best _ osfa

hi osfa,
>
>(1) communication between IMC Estrecho/Madiak and IMC network
and others
>
>  It seems from the imc-process archive that you've contacted

>dns at lists.indymedia.org
>to get your dns allocated, but it's hoped that each local indymedia
>group autonomously updates its own entry in the contact database:
>
>If you go to 
>http://www.indymedia.org/contact/list.php
>
>and do a word-find (ctrl f) on "estrecho"  you'll find your
entry
>has almost nothing in it. You should be able to click on your
>entry, and then edit this.  There might be some functions only
>a new-imc admin can do - i don't have the password, but you
can ask
>on new-imc if you need this.
>
>When you first sent in the newimc form, you should have received
>a username and password. If you don't have it, you should be
able to
>email mark at indymedia.org  to get hold of these.
>
>After an admin person does "refresh cities", then your entry
should
>appear in
>http://www.indymedia.org/cities.inc   for left-hand columns
etc 
>and
>http://www.indymedia.org/contact.php3  for humans (like us :)
to read
>
>(2) i just saw that your email archive is secret:
>
>https://www.nodo50.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/indymedia-estrecho-coordinacion
>
>Could you and the others in your collective please read through
>the arguments for and against having secret archives:
>
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/NewImcMailingListIssues
>
>Very few IMCs have secret archives for their main list - and
probably most 
>(like Poland) have most of their specialised mailing lists also
>with public archives. (In fact, we still have completely open
posting,
>by non-subscribers, to most of our Poland mailing lists...)
>
>Anyway, please read through the arguments - if you can improve
the
>discussion, please do so, or maybe translate and write a spanish
>version on another TWiki page. 
>
>IMHO, the arguments in favour of open archives are much stronger
than
>any arguments against, at least in the case of indymedia. If
you want
>to plan illegal, direct actions, then an indymedia mailing list
is *not*
>the sort of communication method you need for sensitive information
on
>this sort of subject...
>
>Anyway, you've heard my opinion now...
>
>Looking forward to seeing you listed on the cities list :)
>
>BTW, you'll have to decide whether to be put under Europe or
Africa
>(or else someone else will decide for you).  i realise this
is a
>painful decision for a noborder indymedia...  - but the alternative
is
>that you would have to activate and moderate a "global indymedia"
>discussion, make a proposal, and obtain either a formal or a
de facto
>"global" decision on an alternative classification or structure
for
>the "cities" list. Nobody likes having these "labels", but we
do need
>some way of making it not too difficult for people to find which
local
>IMC they're interested in, in a way which is also not too heavy
in
>terms of bandwidth resources (simple html + text is fairly light,
but
>images require lots of kbytes).
>
>Any discussion requires time and patience, and we as a network
are
>sure to want to do this sooner or later - if you want to do
this, you're
>welcome to do so. Alternatively, you can just choose either
Europe or
>Africa.
>
>solidarity
>boud
>
>
>On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, osfa_wewearbuildings wrote:
>
>> 
>> hi blicero
>> this is osfa, from indymedia estrecho / madiaq - friends with
>> pablo from hackitectura.net that i believe you know.
>> 
>> the deadlien is over now, son indymedia estrecho / indymedia
>> madiaq is approved now.
>> 
>> bart / pseudo punk suggested us to send our data to dns at indymedia.org
>> 
>> i am not vey much of a tech but i believe we need indymedia.org
>> to associate the new subdomains - estrecho.indymedia.org &
madiaq.indymedia.org
>> - with the dns at the machines at the indymedia server in
texas
>> that has been offered to us.
>> 
>> thanks for your message _ osfa
>> 
>> 
>> >--- Original Message ---
>> >From: Blicero <blicero at ecn.org>
>> >To: osfa_wewearbuildings <osfa at wewearbuildings.cc>
>> >Date: 8/9/03 1:58:57 PM
>> >
>> i did not understand what you need exactly 
>> >
>> >On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:18:55AM -0700, osfa_wewearbuildings
>> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> hi guys
>> >> we are getting ready the server to start with indymedia
estrecho
>> >> asap.
>> >> 
>> >> we already got de dns´s from the indymedia people in texas
>> [?]
>> >> i believe it is texas!
>> >> 
>> >> Who would be able to help us with this, once indymedia
estrecho
>> >> goes through the process approval? - deadline august 9th
-.
>> >> 
>> >> thanks again for the support. ¡Arriba los que luchan!
>> >> 
>> >> osfa _ ((((i))) estrecho volunteer
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Here´s the message from webteam at worldunrest.org. - i just
>> erased
>> >> the dns numbers..., in order to send them directly to the
>> person
>> >> who will take care of the process -. The tech person taking
>> care
>> >> of this at the indymedia estrecho side is chaser [chaser at wewearbuildings.cc]
>> >> - and also, manu [manje at manje.net]
>> >> 
>> >> we actually need two subdomain names for the same dns´s:
>> >> - estrecho.indymedia.org
>> >> - madiaq.indymedia.org
>> >> 
>> >> [which is the same name, in spanish and arab]
>> >> 
>> >> message:
>> >> 
>> >> >Here is what you will need to do. While you are in the
new
>> IMC
>> >> process,
>> >> > you will need to request the subdomain estrecho.indymedia.org
>> >> and have
>> >> > them transfer the DNS ...
>> >>  I've already got
>> >> > the account up and ready to go. I will send you the login
>> and
>> >> MySQL
>> >> > information as soon as the DNS has been transferred over
>> to
>> >> us. If
>> >> > there are any problems please have the process people
email
>> >> > webteam at worldunrest.org and we can verify with them.
It
>> should
>> >> not be a
>> >> > problem after that.
>> >> >
>> >> > Martin
>> >> love and peace, always better with cyborgs!
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> New-imc at lists.indymedia.org
>> >> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/new-imc
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >ciao
>> >blicero
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> 
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