[New-imc] beach cities imc. Notice of intention to block

[Mike R]

I am a little concerned that the top feature says they were hacked.  I
think we should give them the benefit of the doubt before blocking and
look into if they are truthfully claiming they have been hacked by
right wingers or not.

Are there any personal contacts we have in the network that can verify
the trouble they claim to be having, we should get into touch with
them & have them look into it.  Where is Beach Cities anyway?

-Mike

Saturday, August 30, 2003, 7:06:54 AM, Shayne said:


SON> Sorry folks. Beach Cities smell all wrong to me.

SON> No trust from this quarter.

SON> I am going to ask the perth collective if we can block. I doubt there will
SON> be dissent. Some of the featuer posts are really fucking offensive. And
SON> could the beach cities kids pass on a message to the person who wrote the
SON> imigration feature:: "Fuck you nazi pig".

SON> Cheers,
SON> Shayne.

SON> ------------------------------------
SON> "Must not Sleep! Must warn others!"
SON> -Aesop.
SON> Shayne O'Neill. Indymedia. Fun.
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SON> On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 xare at sindominio.net wrote:

>> >
>> > This is a problem I raised back when I was trying to start
>> > IMC-Binghamton (currently on-hold). It seems to me that there are two
>> > process features which are going to ultimately cause problems:
>> >
>> > 1) Strict Consensus -- I know this is has been discussed ad nauseum, but
>> >    we all witnessed the global blocks by IMC Ithaca, and this has never
>> > properly addressed, IMHO. Banning Arc simply swept this problem under
>> > the carpet for a while. I suggest a 2/3 super-majority, assuming the
>> > mission statement is never violated.
>> >
>> > 2) Lack of any kind of lefty-radical-progressive-counterculture
>> > political
>> >    litmus test.
>> Well we do not have to go that far, in order to become an indymedia site
>> you need to approve Principles of unity and Membership criteria.
>>
>> We have strong reasons to reject Beach cities:
>> Principles of Unity
>> 10. All IMC's shall be committed to the principle of human equality, and
>> shall not discriminate, including discrimination based upon race, gender,
>> age, class or sexual orientation. Recognizing the vast cultural traditions
>> within the network, we are committed to building [diversity] within our
>> localities.
>>
>> Well watching the features they offer it is clear that this collective in
>> the Beach cities area cannot fulfill this minimum rule.
>>
>> And now membership criteria asks us to:
>>
>> Have open and public meetings (no one group can have exclusionary
>> "ownership" of an IMC).
>>
>> Let's ask them to publish a public meeting. And start with their reach out
>> they may found some leftwingers, also I know that maybe there are not as
>> many of them as desired in the area.
>>
>> j. (NOT FINALIZED): Have no official affiliation with any political party,
>> state or candidate for office (comments: but individual producers have
>> freedom to do whatever they like and local IMCs can "feature" stories
>> about various political parties and initiatives),
>>
>> Here again they do not respect the equality principle and they ask for the
>> vote to Arnold Schwartzeneger.
>>
>> So things being like that:
>> 1. We have to see if it is not a hoax and there is a collective asking us
>> to belong to the network. I personally know what I will ask them. If the
>> answers do not convince me then my answer will be a big NO.
>> 2. Here in the "thing" (Spanis State) we try to help other indymedias
>> (better sometimes worse other times not for political reasons anyway)
>> flourishing near here (now Indymedia Asturies is on the way), would not be
>> interesting if people from LA collective visit that collective and we get
>> to know first hand what is going on? I don´t know how easy it would be.
>> I've never been to the US, and I don´t know the dimensions. Here in Europe
>> everything is so small... :-)) (small people, small villages, small
>> countries...) and we even want it smaller ;-)
>>
>> Now seriously I think there is no much to matter, there are clear reasons
>> IMHO to say No to this collective if they ever asked.
>>
>> If not it would just enter the collection of anecdotas of indymedia's
>> history.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>>
>>
>>
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