[New-imc] Re: [imc-perth] Can I block beach cities IMC application?

[allanboyd]

whilst its important that ALL voices get an outlet,
beach does seem messy and has no EDitoral authority.
a lot of the poisonous posts should be removed/hidden...
http://www.beachcitiesimc.org/index.php
i think they just lack the skills/commitment to maintain clarity.
its a mess - but blocking is too harsh
a little advice/assistance is a start...

alboyd

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mal Bradley" <pres at guild.murdoch.edu.au>
To: "perth independent media collective list"
<imc-perth at lists.indymedia.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [imc-perth] Can I block beach cities IMC application?


>
> Yer, block em!
>
>
> ------------------------------
> :        Mal Bradley         :
> :      Guild President       :
> : Murdoch Guild of Students  :
> :  Phone : (08) 9360 6290    :
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> : pres at guild.murdoch.edu.au  :
> ------------------------------
>
> On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Shayne O'Neill wrote:
>
> > Please note: this list is archived and searchable via the web.
> >
> > Any objections?
> >
> > These cu*ts are racist, anti-anarchist, proudly neo-conservative, have a
> > antileft pro censorship stand and generally are heirachical racist
fucks.
> >
> > Anyone object if perth imc [BLOCK]s the application?
> >
> > Shayne.
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> > "Must not Sleep! Must warn others!"
> > -Aesop.
> > Shayne O'Neill. Indymedia. Fun.
> > http://www.perthimc.asn.au
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:06:54 +0800 (WST)
> > From: Shayne O'Neill <shayne at guild.murdoch.edu.au>
> > To: new-imc at lists.indymedia.org
> > Subject: [New-imc] beach cities imc. Notice of intention to block
> >
> >
> > Sorry folks. Beach Cities smell all wrong to me.
> >
> > No trust from this quarter.
> >
> > I am going to ask the perth collective if we can block. I doubt there
will
> > be dissent. Some of the featuer posts are really fucking offensive. And
> > could the beach cities kids pass on a message to the person who wrote
the
> > imigration feature:: "Fuck you nazi pig".
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Shayne.
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> > "Must not Sleep! Must warn others!"
> > -Aesop.
> > Shayne O'Neill. Indymedia. Fun.
> > http://www.perthimc.asn.au
> >
> > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 xare at sindominio.net wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > This is a problem I raised back when I was trying to start
> > > > IMC-Binghamton (currently on-hold). It seems to me that there are
two
> > > > process features which are going to ultimately cause problems:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Strict Consensus -- I know this is has been discussed ad nauseum,
but
> > > >    we all witnessed the global blocks by IMC Ithaca, and this has
never
> > > > properly addressed, IMHO. Banning Arc simply swept this problem
under
> > > > the carpet for a while. I suggest a 2/3 super-majority, assuming the
> > > > mission statement is never violated.
> > > >
> > > > 2) Lack of any kind of lefty-radical-progressive-counterculture
> > > > political
> > > >    litmus test.
> > > Well we do not have to go that far, in order to become an indymedia
site
> > > you need to approve Principles of unity and Membership criteria.
> > >
> > > We have strong reasons to reject Beach cities:
> > > Principles of Unity
> > > 10. All IMC's shall be committed to the principle of human equality,
and
> > > shall not discriminate, including discrimination based upon race,
gender,
> > > age, class or sexual orientation. Recognizing the vast cultural
traditions
> > > within the network, we are committed to building [diversity] within
our
> > > localities.
> > >
> > > Well watching the features they offer it is clear that this collective
in
> > > the Beach cities area cannot fulfill this minimum rule.
> > >
> > > And now membership criteria asks us to:
> > >
> > > Have open and public meetings (no one group can have exclusionary
> > > "ownership" of an IMC).
> > >
> > > Let's ask them to publish a public meeting. And start with their reach
out
> > > they may found some leftwingers, also I know that maybe there are not
as
> > > many of them as desired in the area.
> > >
> > > j. (NOT FINALIZED): Have no official affiliation with any political
party,
> > > state or candidate for office (comments: but individual producers have
> > > freedom to do whatever they like and local IMCs can "feature" stories
> > > about various political parties and initiatives),
> > >
> > > Here again they do not respect the equality principle and they ask for
the
> > > vote to Arnold Schwartzeneger.
> > >
> > > So things being like that:
> > > 1. We have to see if it is not a hoax and there is a collective asking
us
> > > to belong to the network. I personally know what I will ask them. If
the
> > > answers do not convince me then my answer will be a big NO.
> > > 2. Here in the "thing" (Spanis State) we try to help other indymedias
> > > (better sometimes worse other times not for political reasons anyway)
> > > flourishing near here (now Indymedia Asturies is on the way), would
not be
> > > interesting if people from LA collective visit that collective and we
get
> > > to know first hand what is going on? I don´t know how easy it would
be.
> > > I've never been to the US, and I don´t know the dimensions. Here in
Europe
> > > everything is so small... :-)) (small people, small villages, small
> > > countries...) and we even want it smaller ;-)
> > >
> > > Now seriously I think there is no much to matter, there are clear
reasons
> > > IMHO to say No to this collective if they ever asked.
> > >
> > > If not it would just enter the collection of anecdotas of indymedia's
> > > history.
> > >
> > > Bye
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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