[New-imc] Re: [imc-perth] Can I block beach cities IMC application?

Sat Aug 30 12:00:50 PDT 2003

Sure. I'll add always that a [block] is best thought of as a time out
while they get there shit together.

Realistically tho, there is an editorial policy, and it pretty much says
"we decide" without saying who we is.

Unfortunately the problem is not with the newswire (which is in turmoil)
but the front page editorial stories.

As one New-Imc person put it "It doesnt help there case having a front
page feature advocating voting for schwartzneger"

There are also front page features on why imigrants should be expelled.

Quote.

"This stateis being invaded by Mexicans, and it needs to stop right now.
Soon to be Governor of California, Arnold Swarzeneggar, will see to it
that something is FINALLY done about it."

Heres the topic list;-
 Politics Censorship Abortion Libertarianism Law Enforcement Illegal
Immigration Economy Editorial Personal Opinion Left Wing Commentary
Islamic Fundamentalism Religion Family Values Military Conflict
Pro-Government Anti-Anarchist Neo-Conservatism American Values
Miscellaneous.

Can you smell loaded language? I can.

More;-
I just did further checking and DNS resolves both www.kobehq.com AND
www.beachcitiesimc.org to the *exact same IP* - 67.153.176.14

These guys claim to be just on the same ISP. However, this IP is an adsl
line.

Kobe of course are a fairly naziish conservative inteligence/hacker group.

But wait! Theres more!

Who registered beachcities IMC?

why its;-
----------------------------
Beach Cities Communtiy Church
9872 Hamilton Avenue
Huntington Beach, CA 92646
US
714-698-0668
Domain Name: BEACHCITIES.ORG (NOTE: BEACHCITIESIMC.ORG is the domain, not
BEACHCITIES.ORG)
Administrative Contact:
Zoller, Steve netadmin at stellarcity.com
9872 Hamilton Avenue
Huntington Beach, CA 92646
US
714-698-0668
--------------------------

And Kobes response to this?
"Hey, I am at my wifes office and looking over LA. I see some good targets
for a B1B from up here. e.g. a fucking mosque full of ragheads. Nuke the
fuckers.
I will call you tonight"

Yup boys and girls. Beach cities IMC is a fraud. So yeah. I think we
block.

Shayne.

--
Shayne O'Neill
http://perth.indymedia.org
Its hidden somewhere.

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, allanboyd wrote:

> whilst its important that ALL voices get an outlet,
> beach does seem messy and has no EDitoral authority.
> a lot of the poisonous posts should be removed/hidden...
> http://www.beachcitiesimc.org/index.php
> i think they just lack the skills/commitment to maintain clarity.
> its a mess - but blocking is too harsh
> a little advice/assistance is a start...
>
> alboyd
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mal Bradley" <pres at guild.murdoch.edu.au>
> To: "perth independent media collective list"
> <imc-perth at lists.indymedia.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [imc-perth] Can I block beach cities IMC application?
>
>
> >
> > Yer, block em!
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > :        Mal Bradley         :
> > :      Guild President       :
> > : Murdoch Guild of Students  :
> > :  Phone : (08) 9360 6290    :
> > :  Fax   : (08) 9360 7463    :
> > : pres at guild.murdoch.edu.au  :
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Shayne O'Neill wrote:
> >
> > > Please note: this list is archived and searchable via the web.
> > >
> > > Any objections?
> > >
> > > These cu*ts are racist, anti-anarchist, proudly neo-conservative, have a
> > > antileft pro censorship stand and generally are heirachical racist
> fucks.
> > >
> > > Anyone object if perth imc [BLOCK]s the application?
> > >
> > > Shayne.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > > "Must not Sleep! Must warn others!"
> > > -Aesop.
> > > Shayne O'Neill. Indymedia. Fun.
> > > http://www.perthimc.asn.au
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:06:54 +0800 (WST)
> > > From: Shayne O'Neill <shayne at guild.murdoch.edu.au>
> > > To: new-imc at lists.indymedia.org
> > > Subject: [New-imc] beach cities imc. Notice of intention to block
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry folks. Beach Cities smell all wrong to me.
> > >
> > > No trust from this quarter.
> > >
> > > I am going to ask the perth collective if we can block. I doubt there
> will
> > > be dissent. Some of the featuer posts are really fucking offensive. And
> > > could the beach cities kids pass on a message to the person who wrote
> the
> > > imigration feature:: "Fuck you nazi pig".
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Shayne.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > > "Must not Sleep! Must warn others!"
> > > -Aesop.
> > > Shayne O'Neill. Indymedia. Fun.
> > > http://www.perthimc.asn.au
> > >
> > > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 xare at sindominio.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a problem I raised back when I was trying to start
> > > > > IMC-Binghamton (currently on-hold). It seems to me that there are
> two
> > > > > process features which are going to ultimately cause problems:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Strict Consensus -- I know this is has been discussed ad nauseum,
> but
> > > > >    we all witnessed the global blocks by IMC Ithaca, and this has
> never
> > > > > properly addressed, IMHO. Banning Arc simply swept this problem
> under
> > > > > the carpet for a while. I suggest a 2/3 super-majority, assuming the
> > > > > mission statement is never violated.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) Lack of any kind of lefty-radical-progressive-counterculture
> > > > > political
> > > > >    litmus test.
> > > > Well we do not have to go that far, in order to become an indymedia
> site
> > > > you need to approve Principles of unity and Membership criteria.
> > > >
> > > > We have strong reasons to reject Beach cities:
> > > > Principles of Unity
> > > > 10. All IMC's shall be committed to the principle of human equality,
> and
> > > > shall not discriminate, including discrimination based upon race,
> gender,
> > > > age, class or sexual orientation. Recognizing the vast cultural
> traditions
> > > > within the network, we are committed to building [diversity] within
> our
> > > > localities.
> > > >
> > > > Well watching the features they offer it is clear that this collective
> in
> > > > the Beach cities area cannot fulfill this minimum rule.
> > > >
> > > > And now membership criteria asks us to:
> > > >
> > > > Have open and public meetings (no one group can have exclusionary
> > > > "ownership" of an IMC).
> > > >
> > > > Let's ask them to publish a public meeting. And start with their reach
> out
> > > > they may found some leftwingers, also I know that maybe there are not
> as
> > > > many of them as desired in the area.
> > > >
> > > > j. (NOT FINALIZED): Have no official affiliation with any political
> party,
> > > > state or candidate for office (comments: but individual producers have
> > > > freedom to do whatever they like and local IMCs can "feature" stories
> > > > about various political parties and initiatives),
> > > >
> > > > Here again they do not respect the equality principle and they ask for
> the
> > > > vote to Arnold Schwartzeneger.
> > > >
> > > > So things being like that:
> > > > 1. We have to see if it is not a hoax and there is a collective asking
> us
> > > > to belong to the network. I personally know what I will ask them. If
> the
> > > > answers do not convince me then my answer will be a big NO.
> > > > 2. Here in the "thing" (Spanis State) we try to help other indymedias
> > > > (better sometimes worse other times not for political reasons anyway)
> > > > flourishing near here (now Indymedia Asturies is on the way), would
> not be
> > > > interesting if people from LA collective visit that collective and we
> get
> > > > to know first hand what is going on? I don´t know how easy it would
> be.
> > > > I've never been to the US, and I don´t know the dimensions. Here in
> Europe
> > > > everything is so small... :-)) (small people, small villages, small
> > > > countries...) and we even want it smaller ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Now seriously I think there is no much to matter, there are clear
> reasons
> > > > IMHO to say No to this collective if they ever asked.
> > > >
> > > > If not it would just enter the collection of anecdotas of indymedia's
> > > > history.
> > > >
> > > > Bye
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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