[New-imc] Re: istanbul-IMC >Re: Imc- Istanbul

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Hi All,
As you can see from our page (http://istanbul.indymedia.org)
we are going well day by day.

Thanks to Gaba for his help!

Maybe someone find us angry and impolite.
Sorry for this, but lets please do not talk about the method, or do not 
allow that
method comes before work done.

Please remember that at least we are trying to do something progressive,
and excuse us for any kind of impolite behaviour....


baris


Petros Evdokas wrote:

>"blue.pi" wrote:
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>>Hi Petros,
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>>what do you think about the problems with IMC Istanbul? You are
>>theoretically their contact, right?
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>>That they were very demanding is one thing, but I also think it's kind of
>>ridicilous not to have in IMC in Istanbul before the war, just because they
>>weren't polite enough.
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>>Have you tried solving the conflict, can I help you with that?
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>>regards
>>blue
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>Hannah, 
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>I believe that the imc-Istanbul group has been very
>polite and very patient. The problem is that most (and
>the loudest) of our North American and West European
>indymedia activists do not know or understand (or
>value) the meaning of dependability, accountability, or
>collectivity. The imc-Istanbul group has been a victim
>of this internal Indymedia policy problem. It is a
>political problem essentially, a political conflict
>(the silent clash between bourgeois individualism
>disguised as "being revolotionary", versus radical
>collectivism), which, as the resistance and Liberation
>Movement becomes global we will have to confront and to
>eradicate from among us.
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>I am not the contact for imc-istanbul, there are at
>least 2 other colleagues who are very good, dependable
>people, barkIn and Baris. I am a friend and ally of
>imc-istanbul. 
>If you have something *concrete* to offer to the group,
>I'm sure they would be happy to accept it.
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>It is not my place to try to solve the conflict,
>because it would be interference on my part. I also
>think that you need to re-assess your own offers to
>help various imc-groups, as you have been doing
>recently, because the building of trust among people
>and organizations involved in this global struggle of
>life and death, requires an approach *different* from
>what I have seen you doing so far. I think you should
>go a little slower, and either accept some guidance
>from third-world /developing-world radicals so as to
>better judge what is appropriate and when, or back off
>entirely.  
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>We all have our place in the Movement, and sometimes we
>need to shoulder the less- visible, less- glamorous
>positions in order to provide more substantial and more
>crucial help.
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>I'm forwarding a copy of this to imc-communication,
>because you have been branching your personal contacts
>within imc to many groups recently, and the liaisons
>there should all be made more of aware of this, and
>also to the new-imc working group because you have been
>vocal and visible there. Also of course, to
>imc-istanbul, and to some of the people in Lebanon,
>where there are similar concerns about things.
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>These opinions are solely my own, though I know I am
>expressing concerns which are shared by many of us in
>and around the movement.
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>Petros
>cyprus indymedia volunteer
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>indymedia-t?rkiye girithimi
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