[New-imc] Re: Imc- Istanbul

[blue.pi]

Hi imc Istanbul, 

I just want to clearify a bit where this whole discussion comes from. It is 
not my opinion that you were impolite and demanding. I have no opinion on 
that. I am simply on the german-tech-list, on which you called for help a 
while ago. Because of that, I raised the question on the new-imc-list, if we 
could help resolve your conflict with the tech people. Upon which someone 
replied, criticizing your communication with imc-tech and this is also what 
one of you mentioned in one of your emails calling for help. Because I 
didn’t want to interfere in the field of someone else at new-imc, my next 
email went to Petros personally (we have asigned people for each IMC and I 
thought he was your contact). 

I really don’t know why Petros got upset with my question if we could help 
resolve the conflict, but Petros and I have had some ongoing disputes which 
in my opinion should be solved on the new-imc-list. Just wanted to let you 
know about my opinion and of course I am glad things work out now. 

blue 


Petros Evdokas writes: 

> "blue.pi" wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Petros, 
>> 
>> what do you think about the problems with IMC Istanbul? You are
>> theoretically their contact, right? 
>> 
>> That they were very demanding is one thing, but I also think it's kind of
>> ridicilous not to have in IMC in Istanbul before the war, just because they
>> weren't polite enough. 
>> 
>> Have you tried solving the conflict, can I help you with that? 
>> 
>> regards
>> blue 
>> 
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> 
> Hannah,  
> 
> I believe that the imc-Istanbul group has been very
> polite and very patient. The problem is that most (and
> the loudest) of our North American and West European
> indymedia activists do not know or understand (or
> value) the meaning of dependability, accountability, or
> collectivity. The imc-Istanbul group has been a victim
> of this internal Indymedia policy problem. It is a
> political problem essentially, a political conflict
> (the silent clash between bourgeois individualism
> disguised as "being revolotionary", versus radical
> collectivism), which, as the resistance and Liberation
> Movement becomes global we will have to confront and to
> eradicate from among us. 
> 
> I am not the contact for imc-istanbul, there are at
> least 2 other colleagues who are very good, dependable
> people, barkIn and Baris. I am a friend and ally of
> imc-istanbul. 
> If you have something *concrete* to offer to the group,
> I'm sure they would be happy to accept it. 
> 
> It is not my place to try to solve the conflict,
> because it would be interference on my part. I also
> think that you need to re-assess your own offers to
> help various imc-groups, as you have been doing
> recently, because the building of trust among people
> and organizations involved in this global struggle of
> life and death, requires an approach *different* from
> what I have seen you doing so far. I think you should
> go a little slower, and either accept some guidance
> from third-world /developing-world radicals so as to
> better judge what is appropriate and when, or back off
> entirely.   
> 
> We all have our place in the Movement, and sometimes we
> need to shoulder the less- visible, less- glamorous
> positions in order to provide more substantial and more
> crucial help. 
> 
> I'm forwarding a copy of this to imc-communication,
> because you have been branching your personal contacts
> within imc to many groups recently, and the liaisons
> there should all be made more of aware of this, and
> also to the new-imc working group because you have been
> vocal and visible there. Also of course, to
> imc-istanbul, and to some of the people in Lebanon,
> where there are similar concerns about things. 
> 
> These opinions are solely my own, though I know I am
> expressing concerns which are shared by many of us in
> and around the movement. 
> 
> Petros
> cyprus indymedia volunteer
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