[New-imc] Re: istanbul-IMC >Re: Imc- Istanbul

[barkIn karsLI]

   Dear Blue,
   Tnks for your sincere interest. I just wanted to share the beautiful story below, to give an idea of why imc-istanbul people seem a bit like the bad-boy of the imc-game/process. 
   With solidarity,
(bk)
 
   Seven centuries ago seven white doves rose from a deep valley flying to the snow-white summit of the mountain. One of the seven men who watched the flight said, "I see a black spot on the wing of the seventh dove."
   To-day the people in that valley tell of seven black doves that flew to the summit of the snowy mountain. (by Kahlil Gibran, from Sand and Foam, p. 59, first printed in 1927)

 
 "blue.pi" <blue.pi at so36.net> wrote:Hi imc Istanbul, 

I just want to clearify a bit where this whole discussion comes from. It is 
not my opinion that you were impolite and demanding. I have no opinion on 
that. I am simply on the german-tech-list, on which you called for help a 
while ago. Because of that, I raised the question on the new-imc-list, if we 
could help resolve your conflict with the tech people. Upon which someone 
replied, criticizing your communication with imc-tech and this is also what 
one of you mentioned in one of your emails calling for help. Because I 
didn’t want to interfere in the field of someone else at new-imc, my next 
email went to Petros personally (we have asigned people for each IMC and I 
thought he was your contact). 

I really don’t know why Petros got upset with my question if we could help 
resolve the conflict, but Petros and I have had some ongoing disputes which 
in my opinion should be solved on the new-imc-list. Just wanted to let you 
know about my opinion and of course I am glad things work out now. 

blue 


Petros Evdokas writes: 

> "blue.pi" wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Petros, 
>> 
>> what do you think about the problems with IMC Istanbul? You are
>> theoretically their contact, right? 
>> 
>> That they were very demanding is one thing, but I also think it's kind of
>> ridicilous not to have in IMC in Istanbul before the war, just because they
>> weren't polite enough. 
>> 
>> Have you tried solving the conflict, can I help you with that? 
>> 
>> regards
>> blue 
>> 
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> 
> ------------------- 
> 
> Hannah, 
> 
> I believe that the imc-Istanbul group has been very
> polite and very patient. The problem is that most (and
> the loudest) of our North American and West European
> indymedia activists do not know or understand (or
> value) the meaning of dependability, accountability, or
> collectivity. The imc-Istanbul group has been a victim
> of this internal Indymedia policy problem. It is a
> political problem essentially, a political conflict
> (the silent clash between bourgeois individualism
> disguised as "being revolotionary", versus radical
> collectivism), which, as the resistance and Liberation
> Movement becomes global we will have to confront and to
> eradicate from among us. 
> 
> I am not the contact for imc-istanbul, there are at
> least 2 other colleagues who are very good, dependable
> people, barkIn and Baris. I am a friend and ally of
> imc-istanbul. 
> If you have something *concrete* to offer to the group,
> I'm sure they would be happy to accept it. 
> 
> It is not my place to try to solve the conflict,
> because it would be interference on my part. I also
> think that you need to re-assess your own offers to
> help various imc-groups, as you have been doing
> recently, because the building of trust among people
> and organizations involved in this global struggle of
> life and death, requires an approach *different* from
> what I have seen you doing so far. I think you should
> go a little slower, and either accept some guidance
> from third-world /developing-world radicals so as to
> better judge what is appropriate and when, or back off
> entirely. 
> 
> We all have our place in the Movement, and sometimes we
> need to shoulder the less- visible, less- glamorous
> positions in order to provide more substantial and more
> crucial help. 
> 
> I'm forwarding a copy of this to imc-communication,
> because you have been branching your personal contacts
> within imc to many groups recently, and the liaisons
> there should all be made more of aware of this, and
> also to the new-imc working group because you have been
> vocal and visible there. Also of course, to
> imc-istanbul, and to some of the people in Lebanon,
> where there are similar concerns about things. 
> 
> These opinions are solely my own, though I know I am
> expressing concerns which are shared by many of us in
> and around the movement. 
> 
> Petros
> cyprus indymedia volunteer
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