[New-imc] Re: [IMC-Process] Online form: Proposed new IMC! (housing.indymedia.org)

[Chuck0]

Media Collective wrote:

> There has been a lot of discussion on this topic, and it has not been "vacuous", but very substantive.  The
> decision has been that we do not want to splinter IMC into a lot of issues, or any other narrow tendencies or
> preferences, but to maintain it as a comprehensive global media network that addresses all of the news on all
> of the issues,with equal access to all progressive tendencies and preferences, issues, etc.

Andy the asshole, your input is not helping here.

> Why does Chuck0 insist on defying this consensus, by bringing yet another such "proposal"? He also adamantly
> supported the bogus Eugene GA "imc" (now defunct), in the name of "diversity" and "creativity", because he
> "liked" their site.  He does not seem to really comprehend, or agree with, the fundamental IMC Principles of
> Unity, which clearly mandate that no IMC is to be controlled by any one tendency, splinter group, faction, or
> issue orientation. If he disagrees with such fundamental principles of the network, then what is he doing
> here?

What consensus are you fucking talking about? Rule 1 is  damn democracy is 
that any decision can be revisted at any time. The IMC network is an organic 
network and process. There are no IMC "laws" or "final decisions." And you 
just totally suck donkey balls for trying to disrupt my request with your 
juvenile feud with the folks at the Eugene IMC.

If you are fucking intelligent enough, why don't you go back into the IMC 
archives are READ what I fucking said about the Eugene IMC. I said that I 
would be OPPOSED to them if they were operating on the principle that the 
Eugene IMC would have a specific political orientation. I VOLUNTEERED to talk 
to the Eugene people to see what they were thinking and what needed to be 
worked out.

Andy the Asshole tried to portray himself as a legitimately disaffected IMC 
person in Eugene, but then it comes out that he's been fucking around with 
the people at the Portland IMC. I'm not going to make any charges here, but 
this smells awfully suspicious to me. Perhaps Andy is just one of those guys 
who doesn't get alogn with others. More likely Andy is up to something, so 
I'm not going to mince words when I flame Andy's pesky little ass.

> And where does he get off, calling me a "disrupter", etc., for criticizing his incorrect analysis and
> practice?  In fact, such adhominem dismissal, especially in defense of an unprincipled position, which he
> cannot defend in fact or documentation, is the truly disruptive practice.

Andy, why don't you take this email, print it out, and shove it up your 
fucking ass! You are the fucking idiot who goes off about "primitive 
chaosicists." You want to talk about ad hominim attacks? Read your own 
fucking posts!

> It would be easy for him to start his own housing web site, and then to feed news to IMC, with links to that
> website for those who want to pursue that issue in more depth.  He could also work with the DC IMC, where he
> lives, to develop a housing page linked to the front page, where all articles posted to the wire pertaining to
> housing can be collected.  This could also be done on the global site, if it hasn't already, with links to all
> such local pages on the topic.

Look, you fucking moron, this isn't MY proposal. I brought forward this 
proposal after talking with somebody else who writes news stories and who 
works on housing issues. I cmae forward with the proposal, engaged in the 
correct process, and have now ended up having to flame you. Great!

This is the case where I lose all patience with progressive activists. There 
comes a time when you simply have to kick somebody out of things. Andy is one 
of those people, you know, like the Stalinist who comes to your meeting and 
stands up and yells.

> IMC is not about splintering our resources into redundant networks, but about collectivizing our media
> resources for more clout on all issues.  I think persistence in resisting this collectivization reflects an
> incorrect analysis that any real collectivization is somehow a threat to autonomy, and thus automatically an
> illicit and oppressive "centralization".  It is a fundamentally anti-democratic analysis, deriving from
> obsession with chaos.

Go fuck yourself, Andy. Chaos? What the hell are you smoking today? Crack? 
Your own feces?

Gee thanks, you've now totally ruined an attempt by activist to start an IMC 
that would have been a collective project run by people involved in the 
network. You own crazy obsession with Eugene anarchists has now jeopardized a 
project that would have empowered homeless people to write about their situation.

Great job, Andy, you are really fucking constructive.

Kudos to the Portland IMC folks for giving Andy the boot.

> Democratic pooling of resources does not necessarily translate into "centralization" to "suppress" housing
> issues or the GA chaos freak tendency, or whatever.  It makes us stronger, to more effectively address housing
> and all other issues, collectively, democratically..It in no way restricts Chuck0 or anyone else from spinning
> off on their own tangent.  Indeed, it can serve as a catalyst for just such developments, to whatever extent
> people are determined to do that, to see what involvement and support they can generate.

"GA chaos freak tendency?"

Put down the crack pipe, Andy. Back away.

> But persistence in trying to hijack, splinter and divert IMC resources should be grounds for reconsideration
> of one's sincerety of committment to IMC Principles of Unity.

Speak for yourself Andy.

Andy, once again, if I haven't made myself perfectly clear: go fuck yourself!

Chuck0

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