[New-imc] Re: [Tech-latina] setting up process list

Wed Jan 29 09:53:02 PST 2003

hello Freddie,
i'll answer your questions one by one ok? Regarding the language, if we
countinue to write in english lots of people will be able to follow Puerto
Rico's process, but some of our companer at s from latina america won't. I'm CC
all of our messages to new imc list and to imc latina list (most of the
latin imc have one or more lisaons in this list, such as in imc
communication and in imc finance). If you want to ask me something in
private or don't want some of our messages to have a copy in the list
archives just let me know it won't be a problem ;-)
It's great to hear that you have 10-12 people discussing the principles of
unity, the criteria membership, an editorial police (look at seattle imc
editorial police) and doing toghether the first steps to one of the firsts
imc's in central america. This is awesome!
1-So about the space: Indy NYC is an exception. that space is awesome! Here
in south america, if i'm not wrong only imc sp and imc argentina have a
space. indy sp works in an occupation downtown and imc argentina for a long
time operated in sebastian's room (now they are working in a bank!). Some
"gringo imcs" such as imc Philly and IMC DC divide their spaces with other
progressive groups, as we'll soon do here in BH. I would reccomend you to do
your meetings in an open space (a square, cultural centerm, café, etc). It's
very expensive to mantein a space : (
 2- consensus workshops are a very good idea. regarding the process and the
example you brought up about warcry in NYC i'd say that the autonomy of each
imc leads it to their own process. I have friends in NYC and heard lots
about what happened ther e, it's difficult to give an oppinion. I can tell
you about imc brasil experience. We're six collectives that use the same web
site and figured out our own process based of course in the indymedia
principles (membreship criteria and principles of unity).
3 - Who to consider a member is hard to answer, but given the principle of
consensus, anyone who is attending a meeting have the right to give a
personal oppinion respecting the others who participate in the group for a
longer time. I've translated a great document on consensus and mutual
respect to portuguese, if you want i can foward to you. the english version
you can find here: http://www.consensus.net/ocac3.html
4- Guess you've figured out ;-) http://lists.indymedia.org/listinfo/cmi-pr
(if you need any instructions on the administration just tell me. i'd
reccomend you to ask listwork to install a spam assassin for the list)
5- You can chose some of our softwares. the main are: active (the first one
develloped in australia - indy seattle uses it), sf-active (sf kids improved
active, good support, imc argentina and imc uruguay uses it), mir (developed
in germany, imc brasil just installed it). I'd recommend you to use
sf-active, you can find support in tech latina lista.
hope to have answered your questions. if there is anytheing else i can help
just let me know.
peace,
dri

----- Original Message -----
From: "Freddie Marrero" <f_marrero at yahoo.com>
To: "Adriana" <dricavel at terra.com.br>
Cc: <f_marrero at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [New-imc] Re: [Tech-latina] setting up process list

> We don't have a Indymedia space and we meet at the
> office of one of the people involved. This has placed
> some limits in posting invitations to all the mailing
> list we would anounce the meetings. Right now we are
> looking for a more neutral space to hold another
> meeting in February and we will post an invitation
> (already drafted) to all the activist list and
> concerned individuals, plus post flyers in the public
> communications schools at the universities. I think
> many more people would like to get involved.
>
> Right now the obstacles I think we need to overcome
> are:
> 1. get our own space, but we don't have money (we
> already have some donated equipment)
> 2. learn and master the consensus model to conduct
> meetings. THat's something new around here. And in
> some regards it's at odds with the prevalent political
> culture, even among activists. I know a little bit of
> it from my experiences in New York and with the ISM in
> Palestine, but I think some workshops with some of the
> stuff that has been written about that need to happen
> 3. Finally, and I think that this problem has been
> faced many times by other, we don't have a clear idea
> who's considered a Member. I mean meetings are open so
> everyone could become one, but if everyone is working
> hard and there comes someone new to block all the
> proposals and to hinder the desition process. It's
> that person a member as well? How do other IMCs deal
> with this proble. For instance when Warcry was banned
> in New York, only certain people were allowed TO VOTE
> (yes a vote took place, instead of consensus). Is
> someone that only monitors the discussion lists and
> shows to everyother meeting equal in voice, power, and
> allowed to block as other members? All this questions
> are not mine, were presented by other people involved
> when we discussed our documents and we were not able
> to provide solid answers so we decide to ask other
> IMCs on how they deal with that.
> 4. We need a discussion list
> 5. We don't have a PHP or hardcore computer techie on
> board yet. Some of us know our HTML, FTP, and basic
> stuff. It is to hard to set up the initial page?
>
> I hope you can be of help in answering to some of this
> questions or to pointing were other people have
> answered them. We have a lot of energy and don't want
> to start steping into shaky ground.
>
> Thanks a lot for your time and for volunteering
> helping us in this process.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Adriana <dricavel at terra.com.br> wrote:
> > Hello Freddie,
> > I'm a volunteer from New Imc working group. I'll
> > help you in anything you
> > need to star an IMC in your country/city.
> > So answering your question: just write to
> > listwork at lists.indymedia.org and
> > mailing list for IMC Puerto Rico (there are reciving
> > this e-mail also, so
> > perhaps they'll contact you with the list created
> > and the pws soon).
> > Please read this document that explains the steps to
> > start an IMC:
> > http://newimc.indymedia.org/?lang=es
> > Any doubts just write me!
> > peace,
> > dri
> > PS: should i write in spanish the next time?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Freddie Marrero" <f_marrero at yahoo.com>
> > To: <tech-latina at lists.indymedia.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:40 PM
> > Subject: [Tech-latina] setting up process list
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi. My name is Freddie. There's a group in Puerto
> > Rico that's going thru
> > the
> > > steps to become an Indymedia. We send our initial
> > contact application to
> > the
> > > new-imc list and I would like to set up a process
> > discussion list for us
> > to
> > > discuss our documents, policies, etc. How can we
> > do that?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Freddie
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
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