[New-imc] Re: [imc-us-process] Eric/Freedom's removal from lists

[Jay]

Hi Brian and everyone,

I think there may have been some confusion about Eric/Freedom/Arc and who 
was who.  I remember the proposal on new-imc dealing specifically with Arc, 
but not with Eric (though maybe there was some confusion about whether Arc 
and "Freedom" were the same person . . . ?).  So, I think, technically, 
there is no reason Eric should have been taken off the list.  I do think 
there was a sense that arc/eric was a voting block, consisting of one or 
two people, that worked together in tandem, so maybe that is where the link 
between them came.

I'm not familiar with the imc-process situation, and don't recall any 
discussion on imc-us-process about this.

Jay

At 6/20/2003, bks10 at cornell.edu wrote:
>First, let us all hope this does not open up another can
>of worms. And I'm sorry if this isn't the right list for
>this, but I don't know of another list that is more
>appropriate...
>
>I find myself scratching my head as to why Eric (aka
>Freedom) was removed from new-imc, and imc-process (as
>he claims). Although there have been (half joking)
>references to Arcric, some kind of Eric/Arc hybrid
>person, I can assure you that they are two different
>people. I've seen them in the same room at the same time
>:-) The proposal that was circulated on new-imc dealt
>with removing Arc, but not Eric. Unless I'm missing
>something, it seems to me that Eric was mentioned only
>peripherally, and only in one or two emails.
>
>I don't disagree with removing Arc or Eric, however Eric
>is hopping mad about his removal from the list, and
>although I disagreed with just about everything he did
>on new-imc and imc-process during his time as Ithaca
>IMC's liason, I think he has some right to be mad, or at
>least confused. And, well, I'm confused too.
>
>Was it a misunderstanding as to whether Arc and Eric
>were the same person? Was it confusion as to what the
>original proposal was about? It seems to me that there
>was as much of a valid reason to remove Eric from the
>lists as Arc... but the proposal was just about Eric.
>
>I'm extremely hesitant to bring this up - but I'm too
>curious as to why this happened. Perhaps curiosity will
>kill my cat, but I think it is important for this
>conversation to be had, for the sake of openness. Two
>years down the road, I don't want Eric, Arc, or anyone
>else to be able to say "oh, indymedia's process has been
>fucked up since May '03" and cite as evidence Eric's
>removal from these lists without "due process".
>
>It seems to me that even the wiki page set up about this
>issue is inconsistent as to who was banned and why:
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcBanningArc
>The page name talks about banning Arc, but the title on
>the page says "Why Banning Arc & Freedom".
>
>Can anyone shed some light for me?
>
>Thanks,
>Brian Szymanski
>
>
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