[New-imc] this is getting stupid

[semk imb]

as a member of beirut-imc i'm asking you to stop
sending us emails concerning you and blue's arguments.

we'll decide our opinion of her and the quality of her
work ourselves. your opinion of her is immaterial to
our organization – although your help, as a part of
the international indymedia organizaion, is always
welcome.

rather than continue to throw this spat in our faces,
why don't you let us work on the final arabic webpages
so we can finally have our site up - you'll be more
than welcome to post whatever you like then.

solidarity
semk


--- Petros Evdokas <petros_cyprus at burleehost.net>
wrote:
> 
> Below is an item from the new-imc work- group email
> discussion list (this is the Indymedia group which
> handles applications for the new imc groups).
> 
> Since many of us who are involved with helping
> Indymedia expand in locations of  the Eastern
> Mediterranean region, are necessarily concerned with
> the workings of existing imc groups in our region
> (or
> their individual members), and also with the work
> and
> atmosphere of the new-imc working group, I thought
> you
> should have access to this letter. It's reproduced
> here
> in whole, as is.
> 
> Petros
> 
> --------------------------------------      
> From: "blue.pi" <blue.pi at so36.net>
> To: new-imc at lists.indymedia.org
> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:44:25 +0100
> Subject: [New-imc] Re: offer of diplomatic
> assistance
> for Iran imc
> 
> Geoffrey Young writes: 
> 
> Anywyas, im having some extra time and I would like
> to
> offer diplomatic 
> assistance and even guidance (if necessary) to the
> Iranian IMC in order to
> > keep up forward progress. 
> > 
> 
> Thanks. Maybe you should coordinate with Arc then. 
> 
> > It seems that some of the middle eastern imcs can,
> at times, be prone to
> > having ipersonal disagreements snowball (guess
> IRan doesnt get much snow)
> 
> And you might need to do some research about the
> region: Iran even has some
> nice ski areas, but I think you can still help even
> if
> you didn’t know that
> ;) 
> 
> > 
> > In order to keep the Iran IMC up, something that
> IMCers everywhere want
> to
> > see (especially before the US attacks it), the
> interpersonal problems
> have
> > to be overcome. 
> > 
> 
> Once again: This conflict may look personal, but I
> have
> never met Petros in
> person, nor have I worked with him on any other
> list,
> so there has never 
> been any tension between us before. What you have
> seen
> on this list is all 
> there is to the conflict. 
> 
> > Blue Pi it seems thinks thatshe has been slighted.
> What she needs to do
> is
> > clearly state all of her concerns and problems, in
> a straight forward
> > manner with faith that her concerns will be
> addressed and her problems
> will
> > be solved.
> > At the same time Petros must inded respond to the
> concerns in a way that
> > addresses Blue Pi concerns. Neither person should
> try to prove that they
> > are right and the other wrong. 
> 
> This is not a question of right or wrong - unless
> you
> believe in telepathy 
> or other powers to find out what is happening in a
> place where you are not.
> This is not even really an argument. 
> 
> Petros is accusing me of things I have never done
> and
> he is accusing me of 
> things I presumable do in Beirut, while he is not
> here
> and has never 
> inquired if any of his assumptions are true. Neither
> has he so far given
> any 
> hint of evidence or any other clue, why he thinks I
> could be doing those 
> things. I and another woman from IMC Beirut have
> already told him in 
> Novemeber that his assumption have nothing to do
> with
> the reality here, but
> he keeps attacking me for the same things. 
> 
> In the past I have had several heated discussions
> with
> people within 
> indymedia about political issues, e.g. male
> dominance
> in indymedia groups 
> etc. The difference in these discussions was always
> that there was a reason
> for them and that was: We had opposite opinions. It
> made sense to argue 
> because no matter how insane the discussion became,
> there was still a
> chance 
> to come to an agreement, convince the other person
> or
> maybe just as you 
> mention here, win the argument. 
> 
> However, with Petros I don’t see any reason to
> argue,
> because he makes 
> things up. I have said this before: I can not even
> defend myself, because 
> his accusations have nothing to do with me. 
> 
> Imagine, your flatmate tells you everyday, that you
> should stop eating his 
> strawberry jogurths and everyday you tell him, that
> you
> never ate a single 
> one and that you don’t even like strawberry jogurt.
> Now
> if these arguments 
> get worse and worse, what would you do? Well, I
> would
> say: move out as fast
> as possible, because obviously your flatmate is
> insane.
> This is why I am 
> leaving this list. 
> 
> 
> But since all of this doesn’t seem so clear to you,
> here are some examples:
> 
> Petros writes:
> > -------------   
> > 
> > 
> > Bart and Arc, 
> > 
> > I just wanted you to know that for reasons unknown
> to
> > me, people in imc-beirut and in the new-imc
> working
> > group, are being told by Hannah (blue pi), that I
> am
> > accusing her (of what?) and making things
> difficult for
> > her.  
> > 
> 
> Here Petros uses a known subject: I misinfrom, I
> lie, I
> impose. What 
> acctually happend is: When he writes his emails
> accusing me of all sorts of
> things (e.g. being a crusader, imposing a website on
> IMC Beirut, branching 
> personal contacts), he likes to crosspost them on
> all
> sorts of lists
> instead 
> of leaving the discussion here. Then later, he
> complains that I have “told”
> people that he is accusing me. No, I have not told
> people in Beirut, I 
> didn’t need to tell them, because he informed them
> himself of his opinion
> of 
> me, *and* they know how to read. 
> 
> When some one attackes you, and then when you want
> to
> talk about it denies 
> that he ever attacked you and calls you a lier,
> well,
> what is there to say?
> 
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