[New-imc] re: IMC-Italy proposal for imc-process

[Jay]

(I know there has been talk on the new-imc list about developing a response 
to the lists proposal that is on the imc-process list.  Here's what I sent 
to imc-process as my opinion about the proposal.)

SUMMARY:
Support for IMC-Italy proposal, but suggestion that we've already agreed to 
several of the main points, and agreed to use 
imc-communication at indymedia.org as our liaison list.  Essentially, we 
already have the principle of a liaison-based list at imc-communication, we 
just need people to facilitate it and help it work.

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Hi everyone,

Jay from IMC-Philadelphia here.  I know, I haven't communicated on 
imc-process for many months.  Lots of reasons for that, none interesting 
enough to mention.

I want to state my full support for the essence of the proposal put forth 
by IMC-Italy to enhance inter-IMC communication 
(http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-process/2003-February/004648.html) 
-- Indymedia has long needed an e-mail list that would function as a place 
for IMCs to communicate with each other.

In fact, it sounds very much like a similar proposal that went to this list 
in April, 2002: 
(http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-process/2003-February/004648.html). 
At that point, there were objections to our turning imc-process into a 
liaison-based list.  (look through the archives and you'll see there was a 
lot of discussion.)  Ultimately we agreed that imc-process would stay the 
same, but we would start using imc-commuincation at indymedia.org as a 
liaison-based communication list 
(http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-process/2003-February/004648.html).

Has that happened?  Not really.  Why?  Many reasons, one of which is the 
lack of good facilitation.  I take some fault for this, as I didn't step up 
to help imc-commuincation be a successful place.  We did go through a 
pretty extensive roll call, and as I remember, people who didn't give a 
roll call were taken off the list.  Not to long after that, though, the 
experiment seems to have been dropped.

My thought at the moment is that the imc-process list has already confirmed 
the idea that imc-communication at indymedia.org should be a liaison-based 
Indymedia list, to use as a slow, translated, safe place for IMCs around 
the world to communicate.  My suggestion is that we focus on making the 
imc-communication list into exactly the kind of healthy, effective 
liaison-based communication list that we all want.  Of course if people 
here support using imc-process as the liaison-based list, rather than 
imc-communication, I'll be all for it, it's just that we already went 
through these discussions extensively, and chose to focus on 
imc-communication -- doesn't matter to me which list we us, just that WE 
USE IT.

I believe that will happen only if enough people are willing to act as list 
facilitators, and actually do the job.

Imc-Italy, might people from your collectives be interested in taking an 
active roll in facilitating?

Jay
P.S. I'm not subcribed to imc-process right now, so please cc me on direct 
responses.