[New-imc] CAIRO IMC (urgent)

[Jay]

Hi new-imc,

I haven't heard any dissenting voices about the idea
of immediately opening a temporary Cairo IMC.  I would
like to report that to imc-process, and ask imc-tech
to set them up as soon as possible.  

I'm sure they would be happy with any of Boud's
proposed domains on a temporary basis.  Things seem so
hectic over there -- I think IMC-tech should just pick
one and go with it rather than our waiting for them to
all agree on one (which is probably the least
important of decisions they have to make on the run
right now).

In addition to a temporary URL, we can definitely ask
them to put a statement at the top of their site
explaining it's a provisional site and that they're
still organizing toward a group that can join the
network.  

Jay


--- boud <boud1 at wp.pl> wrote:
> hi ian, hi everyone at new-imc,
> 
>
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> SUMMARY
> - There seems to be consensus:
> (1) to support the group with a website, but
> (2) making it clear that it's not (yet) a fully
> self-organised IMC,
> (2b) e.g. a clear statement on their website
> - The main practical questions seem to be:
> (3) (Cairo people via ian?) what temporary hostname
> alias should be chosen?
> (4) (beyond new-imc) will some people really do the
> work of setting
> up the site?
> 
> Does anyone object to (1), (2) or (2b)?
> 
> ian: Can your local network choose a temporary
> hostname alias in the
> indymedia.org domain (e.g. cairo-tmp.indymedia.org)
> ?
> 
>
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> 
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Jay wrote:
> 
> (1) + (2)
> > >We have done this in the past, we help them get a
> site but DON"T include
> > >them in the cities list or consider them an
> indymedia center until htey
> > >have finished the new imc process.
> > 
> 
> (3)
> ### hostname alias / DNS entry ###
> 
> > This is what I mean.  We would help them set up a
> very consciously 
> > temporary site.  Or, if they're simultaneously
> going through the new-imc 
> > process, and do so successfully, a temporay site
> that can become a 
> > permanent one.  A temporary site could be at
> cairo.indymedia.org, but they 
> > are also trying to get "http://www.cairo-imc.org"
> -- if they're able to do 
> > that, maybe that would be a better URL, since it
> would create even more of 
> > a distinction.  In fact, that may be a better idea
> than their being 
> > cairo.indymedia.org right off the bat.
> 
> They're asking for urgent help - they have money
> transfer problems
> right now. If a local IMC or someone wants to buy
> them the domain name
> cairo-imc.org, i'm sure noone would be against.  But
> we can given them
> an indy domain name like  
> 
> cairo-tmp.indymedia.org
> 
> or
> 
> cairo.proposed.indymedia.org
> 
> or ...
> 
> much faster - once we agree. They can always add an
> alias  cairo-imc.org
> later once they have it.
> 
> arc wrote:
> 
> : how about making a permanent policy, like setup a
> proposed.indymedia.org
> : and have cairo.proposed.indymedia.org.. or some
> word that's shorter than
> : "proposed" but gets across the same spirit.
> 
> i don't think we should make a permanent policy in a
> rush. There's
> also the risk that every requested group feels it
> has the right to ask
> for a mycity.proposed.indymedia.org hostname. Given
> the large number
> of applications that evaporate (or hibernate?) after
> the initial
> enthusiasm, we could end up with a lot of deadend
> hostnames, some of
> which might be used by sects, fundamentalist
> religious groups, fascist
> groups, and we wouldn't notice. 
> 
> In this case, the group is more than just
> "requested", since as jay
> says, they've been organising, doing outreach in
> quite dangerous
> conditions, for about 12 months.
> 
> Hmm. How about if ian proposes a clearly temporary
> hostname for the
> DNS? That would follow our policy on "local"
> decision-making.
> 
> ** ian: ** Can you consult with your local network
> quickly and propose
> a name which is clearly temporary, something like
> 
> cairo-tmp.indymedia.org
> cairo-temporary.indymedia.org
> cairo-proposed.indymedia.org
> 
> i'm not sure whether it's better to have "-" or "."
> - i guess the
> DNS people would probably prefer "-" to avoid having
> to make a 
> subdomain, but i think someone who knows more than i
> do could comment
> here.
> 
> Later on, if you succeed in buying your own domain
> name, there would
> be no problem using both.
> 
> 
> (2b)
> ### statement on forming IMC Cairo website ###
> 
> > >My recollection, was that there were problems
> with teh first cairo
> > >application. Mainly that there were no Egyptians
> involved in the
> > >organization. Maybe they have solved this maybe
> this is a different group,
> > >i don't know.
> > 
> > Exactly.  They've gone through almost a year of
> organizing and seem to have 
> > made strides in the right direction, but we
> absolutely need more 
> > information to determine whether they warrant a
> listing in the cities 
> > list.  I do think world events are such that we
> should be 
> > flexible.  Perhaps if people are uncomfortable
> with this whole idea we 
> > could ask them to put a statement at the top of
> their center column 
> > explaining that they're a project of people who
> are organizing toward 
> > forming an IMC, but have some more organizing to
> do to join the network.
> 
> Sounds reasonable to me.
> 
> 
> (4)
> ### getting the site set up ###
> 
> arc wrote: 
> 
> : > (scott at bandwidthcoop.org) and spud who does
> dada seem to have
> : > i18n reasonably functional - IMC Japan (coming
> soon... watch this
> : > space :) has a site at bandwidthcoop functioning
> OK, where the
> : > Japanese is written on the web page in html
> coding.=20
> : 
> : Um, hello?  First, Freeform also has fully working
> i18n as do other
> : codebases.  Second, zero.bandwidthcoop.org is
> currently full.  We're
> : still in the process of moving over existing sites
> from stallman and
> : at this point are not accepting any new IMCs until
> we can evaluate the
> : bandwidth load of the sites we're currently
> hosting.
> : 
> : We could probobally setup the IMC on another
> server pretty quickly, but
> : diversity is our friend here.  Centralising our
> resources on zero (or
> : any other server) creates the same scenario we've
> seen on stallman. =20
> 
> Sorry about that! My error. Of course decentralising
> is the best policy.
> 
> 
> solidarity
> boud
> 
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