[New-imc] V0.02 PROPOSAL for only collective blocks of new IMCs on imc-process

Mon May 12 02:32:03 PDT 2003

Boud and everyone,

The proposal does seem to be shaping up.  I don't know what blicero and 
changsing think, but I'm feeling that this proposal will be best timed 
after the imc-italy proposal goes through, and after the U.S. people get 
the heck out of the way and onto the likely-to-form imc-us-process 
list.  If others think differently, though, I would support this.

Jay

At 5/7/2003, boud wrote:
>hi everyone,
>
>#########
># SUMMARY
># [en][fr] discussion
># [en] V0.02 PROPOSAL for only collective blocks of new IMCs on imc-process
># [fr] V0.02 PROPOSITION - blocages sur imc-process des IMCs nouveaux
>uniquement collectifs #
>#########
>
>[en]
>   V0.01 was over a week ago. Nobody seems to have any concerns about
>(1) or (2) of V0.01, but some wording needs to be improved due to some
>possible ambiguities.
>
>   IMHO, this is ready for handing over to imc-process. But the question
>is whether imc-process is ready...? blicero, changsing, do you think
>we should wait until the non-liaisons on imc-process are taken off
>the imc-process subscribers' list before handing over to imc-process?
>
>   Could someone do a spanish translation of V0.02 please? (Otherwise
>i'll do a robot translation.)
>
>
>blicero wrote:
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-May/003820.html
>
> > we dont' think new-imc should be a liason or collective driven working 
> group
> > but that it should be a committed individuals workign group
>
>The proposal is only about the imc-process stage, not the new-imc stage.
>
>i've added the sentence:
>
>"The internal approval by the new-imc group will still be done by
>committed individuals, who do the hard work of initial facilitation between a
>new collective and the network."
>
>to BACKGROUND to make this clearer.
>
>brian wrote:
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-May/003824.html
>
> > > DECISION:
> > >  To all local IMC liaisons: please post any concerns (or possibly
> > > blocks), consensed by your local IMC, on imc-process by [date + 1
> > > month to be inserted].
> >
> > Just for clarity, this does not give the liason any sort of representative
> > power, only responsibility to post a local collective's block. Am I
> > correct?
>
>The short answer: yes
>
>The long answer: i would not express things quite that way - the
>primary responsibility is for the liaison to express *concerns* of
>his/her local IMC. Blocks should be exceptional. But i think
>discussion of liaison vs representative is off-topic for new-imc. i'm
>sure people have already been through this.
>
>Anyway, i've modified the wording - hopefully this is clearer.
>
>[fr]
>  J'ai rajouté la phrase
>
>« La validation interne par le groupe new-imc sera toujours l'oeuvre
>d'individus engagé-e-s, qui font le travail soutenu de modération et
>de communication initiales entre un nouveau collectif et le réseau. »
>
>dans le CONTEXTE pour éviter une ambiguité soulevé par blicero:
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-May/003820.html
>
>j'ai modifié le texte de DÉCISION en réponse au message de brian:
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-May/003824.html
>
>solidarité
>boud
>
>
>###### V0.02 PROPOSAL for only collective blocks of new IMCs on 
>imc-process #####
>
>### [en] V0.02 PROPOSAL for only collective blocks of new IMCs on 
>imc-process ###
>
>PROPOSAL:
>  In the spirit of IMC Italy's proposal:
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-process/2003-March/004656.html
>it is proposed that:
>(1) A block on imc-process against approval of a proposed new IMC can
>only be made by a local IMC which is already an approved IMC, and
>not by an individual.
>(2) The delay for a block of a new IMC on imc-process is 14 days.
>
>DECISION:
>  To all local IMC liaisons: please post on imc-process by
>[date + 1 month to be inserted] -
>* any concerns consensed by your local IMC collective
>* (in the case that the proposal fundamentally violates what Indymedia is
>supposed to be about) a block consensed by your local IMC collective
>
>BACKGROUND:
>  The Indymedia network decision on approving a proposed new IMC
>presently happens on imc-process by a consensus process with a
>proposal + deadline of 7 days (after going through guidance and
>internal approval by the new-imc working group - see
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowTo and
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowHelpUs for more info
>for collectives and new-imc volunteers respectively.  The internal
>approval by the new-imc group will still be done by committed
>individuals, who do the hard work of initial facilitation between a new
>collective and the network.)
>
>  Although we fully respect the right of individuals to dissent, each
>local IMC already has some sort of consensus decision-making process,
>with a direct, participatory democratic process that is transparent to
>its membership. If this is not the case, then the individual is
>welcome to work on conflict resolution in his/her local IMC:
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/ConflictResolution
>
>  The delay (2) is extended to 14 days in order to give a reasonable
>delay to any local IMC who wishes to locally discuss an application
>and locally consense on a constructive explanation of its concerns,
>and then post this to imc-process, or if there really is a fundamental
>objection, to post a block. Constructive, non-blocking concerns - or
>lists of suggestions - consensed by a local IMC and posted to
>imc-process might provide a useful complement to the work by
>individuals in the new-imc working group, and might also help develop
>horizontal local IMC - local IMC relationships.
>
>### [fr] V0.02 PROPOSITION - blocages sur imc-process des IMCs
>nouveaux uniquement collectifs ###
>
>PROPOSITION :
>  Dans l'esprit de la proposition d'IMC Italie :
>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-process/2003-March/004656.html
>il est proposé :
>(1) Qu'un blocage sur imc-process contre la reconnaissance d'un nouveau IMC
>proposé puisse uniquement être fait par un IMC local qui est déjà
>reconnu, et non par des individus.
>(2) Que le délai pour blocage éventuel d'un IMC nouveau soit 14 jours.
>
>DÉCISION:
>  À tout-e liaison d'IMC local : veuilles envoyer sur
>imc-process, avant le [date + 1 mois à insérer] -
>* les soucis consensés par ton IMC local
>* (dans le cas où la proposition viole gravement ce que c'est Indymédia)
>un blocage consensé par ton IMC local
>
>CONTEXTE :
>  La décision du réseau Indymédia sur la reconnaissance d'un nouveau
>collectif IMC se passe actuellement sur imc-process par un processus
>de consensus, avec une proposition et une date limite correspondant à
>un délai de 7 jours (suite à l'aide et l'acceptance interne du groupe
>de travail new-imc - voir
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowTo et
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowHelpUs pour plus d'info
>pour les collectifs et les bénévoles new-imc respectivement. La
>validation interne par le groupe new-imc sera toujours l'oeuvre
>d'individus engagé-e-s, qui font le travail soutenu de modération et
>de communication initiales entre un nouveau collectif et le réseau.)
>
>  Quoique nous respectons entièrement le droit des individus de s'opposer,
>tout IMC local a déjà un processus consensuel de prise de décisions
>quelconque, selon une méthode directe, participative et démocratique,
>radicalement transparente aux membres. Dans le cas contraire, l'individu
>est prié-e de travailler sur la résolution du conflit dans son IMC local:
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/ConflictResolution
>
>  Le délai (2) est étendu à 14 jours afin qu'il soit suffisant pour
>qu'un IMC local puisse, s'il le souhaite, discuter localement une
>demande et prendre une décision consensuelle locale sur une
>explication constructive de ses soucis, et la poster sur
>imc-process, ou s'il y a vraiment une inquiétude de fond, faire
>blocage. Des soucis non-bloquants expliqués de façon constructive - ou
>des listes de suggestions - consensés par un IMC local et envoyés sur
>imc-process fourniraient peut-être un complément utile au travail des
>individus dans le groupe de travail new-imc, et aideraient éventuellement
>à développer les relations horizontaux entre IMC locaux.
>
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