[New-imc] V0.02 PROPOSAL for only collective blocks of new IMCs on imc-process

Tue May 13 21:02:09 PDT 2003

Sounds a good idea to me - cheers tony

>Boud and everyone,
>
>The proposal does seem to be shaping up.  I don't know what blicero 
>and changsing think, but I'm feeling that this proposal will be best 
>timed after the imc-italy proposal goes through, and after the U.S. 
>people get the heck out of the way and onto the likely-to-form 
>imc-us-process list.  If others think differently, though, I would 
>support this.
>
>Jay
>
>At 5/7/2003, boud wrote:
>>hi everyone,
>>
>>#########
>># SUMMARY
>># [en][fr] discussion
>># [en] V0.02 PROPOSAL for only collective blocks of new IMCs on imc-process
>># [fr] V0.02 PROPOSITION - blocages sur imc-process des IMCs nouveaux
>>uniquement collectifs #
>>#########
>>
>>[en]
>>   V0.01 was over a week ago. Nobody seems to have any concerns about
>>(1) or (2) of V0.01, but some wording needs to be improved due to some
>>possible ambiguities.
>>
>>   IMHO, this is ready for handing over to imc-process. But the question
>>is whether imc-process is ready...? blicero, changsing, do you think
>>we should wait until the non-liaisons on imc-process are taken off
>>the imc-process subscribers' list before handing over to imc-process?
>>
>>   Could someone do a spanish translation of V0.02 please? (Otherwise
>>i'll do a robot translation.)
>>
>>
>>blicero wrote:
>>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-May/003820.html
>>
>>>  we dont' think new-imc should be a liason or collective driven 
>>>working group
>>>  but that it should be a committed individuals workign group
>>
>>The proposal is only about the imc-process stage, not the new-imc stage.
>>
>>i've added the sentence:
>>
>>"The internal approval by the new-imc group will still be done by
>>committed individuals, who do the hard work of initial facilitation between a
>>new collective and the network."
>>
>>to BACKGROUND to make this clearer.
>>
>>brian wrote:
>>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-May/003824.html
>>
>>>  > DECISION:
>>>  >  To all local IMC liaisons: please post any concerns (or possibly
>>>  > blocks), consensed by your local IMC, on imc-process by [date + 1
>>>  > month to be inserted].
>>>
>>>  Just for clarity, this does not give the liason any sort of representative
>>>  power, only responsibility to post a local collective's block. Am I
>>>  correct?
>>
>>The short answer: yes
>>
>>The long answer: i would not express things quite that way - the
>>primary responsibility is for the liaison to express *concerns* of
>>his/her local IMC. Blocks should be exceptional. But i think
>>discussion of liaison vs representative is off-topic for new-imc. i'm
>>sure people have already been through this.
>>
>>Anyway, i've modified the wording - hopefully this is clearer.
>>
>>[fr]
>>  J'ai rajouté la phrase
>>
>>« La validation interne par le groupe new-imc sera toujours l'oeuvre
>>d'individus engagé-e-s, qui font le travail soutenu de modération et
>>de communication initiales entre un nouveau collectif et le réseau. »
>>
>>dans le CONTEXTE pour éviter une ambiguité soulevé par blicero:
>>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-May/003820.html
>>
>>j'ai modifié le texte de DÉCISION en réponse au message de brian:
>>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-May/003824.html
>>
>>solidarité
>>boud
>>
>>
>>###### V0.02 PROPOSAL for only collective blocks of new IMCs on 
>>imc-process #####
>>
>>### [en] V0.02 PROPOSAL for only collective blocks of new IMCs on 
>>imc-process ###
>>
>>PROPOSAL:
>>  In the spirit of IMC Italy's proposal:
>>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-process/2003-March/004656.html
>>it is proposed that:
>>(1) A block on imc-process against approval of a proposed new IMC can
>>only be made by a local IMC which is already an approved IMC, and
>>not by an individual.
>>(2) The delay for a block of a new IMC on imc-process is 14 days.
>>
>>DECISION:
>>  To all local IMC liaisons: please post on imc-process by
>>[date + 1 month to be inserted] -
>>* any concerns consensed by your local IMC collective
>>* (in the case that the proposal fundamentally violates what Indymedia is
>>supposed to be about) a block consensed by your local IMC collective
>>
>>BACKGROUND:
>>  The Indymedia network decision on approving a proposed new IMC
>>presently happens on imc-process by a consensus process with a
>>proposal + deadline of 7 days (after going through guidance and
>>internal approval by the new-imc working group - see
>>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowTo and
>>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowHelpUs for more info
>>for collectives and new-imc volunteers respectively.  The internal
>>approval by the new-imc group will still be done by committed
>>individuals, who do the hard work of initial facilitation between a new
>>collective and the network.)
>>
>>  Although we fully respect the right of individuals to dissent, each
>>local IMC already has some sort of consensus decision-making process,
>>with a direct, participatory democratic process that is transparent to
>>its membership. If this is not the case, then the individual is
>>welcome to work on conflict resolution in his/her local IMC:
>>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/ConflictResolution
>>
>>  The delay (2) is extended to 14 days in order to give a reasonable
>>delay to any local IMC who wishes to locally discuss an application
>>and locally consense on a constructive explanation of its concerns,
>>and then post this to imc-process, or if there really is a fundamental
>>objection, to post a block. Constructive, non-blocking concerns - or
>>lists of suggestions - consensed by a local IMC and posted to
>>imc-process might provide a useful complement to the work by
>>individuals in the new-imc working group, and might also help develop
>>horizontal local IMC - local IMC relationships.
>>
>>### [fr] V0.02 PROPOSITION - blocages sur imc-process des IMCs
>>nouveaux uniquement collectifs ###
>>
>>PROPOSITION :
>>  Dans l'esprit de la proposition d'IMC Italie :
>>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-process/2003-March/004656.html
>>il est proposé :
>>(1) Qu'un blocage sur imc-process contre la reconnaissance d'un nouveau IMC
>>proposé puisse uniquement être fait par un IMC local qui est déjà
>>reconnu, et non par des individus.
>>(2) Que le délai pour blocage éventuel d'un IMC nouveau soit 14 jours.
>>
>>DÉCISION:
>>  À tout-e liaison d'IMC local : veuilles envoyer sur
>>imc-process, avant le [date + 1 mois à insérer] -
>>* les soucis consensés par ton IMC local
>>* (dans le cas où la proposition viole gravement ce que c'est Indymédia)
>>un blocage consensé par ton IMC local
>>
>>CONTEXTE :
>>  La décision du réseau Indymédia sur la reconnaissance d'un nouveau
>>collectif IMC se passe actuellement sur imc-process par un processus
>>de consensus, avec une proposition et une date limite correspondant à
>>un délai de 7 jours (suite à l'aide et l'acceptance interne du groupe
>>de travail new-imc - voir
>>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowTo et
>>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowHelpUs pour plus d'info
>>pour les collectifs et les bénévoles new-imc respectivement. La
>>validation interne par le groupe new-imc sera toujours l'oeuvre
>>d'individus engagé-e-s, qui font le travail soutenu de modération et
>>de communication initiales entre un nouveau collectif et le réseau.)
>>
>>  Quoique nous respectons entièrement le droit des individus de s'opposer,
>>tout IMC local a déjà un processus consensuel de prise de décisions
>>quelconque, selon une méthode directe, participative et démocratique,
>>radicalement transparente aux membres. Dans le cas contraire, l'individu
>>est prié-e de travailler sur la résolution du conflit dans son IMC local:
>>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/ConflictResolution
>>
>>  Le délai (2) est étendu à 14 jours afin qu'il soit suffisant pour
>>qu'un IMC local puisse, s'il le souhaite, discuter localement une
>>demande et prendre une décision consensuelle locale sur une
>>explication constructive de ses soucis, et la poster sur
>>imc-process, ou s'il y a vraiment une inquiétude de fond, faire
>>blocage. Des soucis non-bloquants expliqués de façon constructive - ou
>>des listes de suggestions - consensés par un IMC local et envoyés sur
>>imc-process fourniraient peut-être un complément utile au travail des
>>individus dans le groupe de travail new-imc, et aideraient éventuellement
>>à développer les relations horizontaux entre IMC locaux.
>>
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