[New-imc] network membership application for TN IMC

dave bonan shoeshoe14 at yahoo.com
Mon May 19 16:42:24 PDT 2003


> We've seen what it leads to, the exact same things I
> described above
> continue to this day in NYC - where the IMC is
> divided into three
> distinct fractions, where members of one group were
> kicked out of the
> IMC (for being Anarchists) despite several people
> blocking it, where the
> video crew has found it nessesary to move into a
> seperate space for
> social-political reasons..

and the money raised by the imc is not shared anymore
between groups. one group doesn't even acknowlege the
other exists. how old are we?

 while the IMC as a whole
> is quite productive,
> at what social cost does this productivity come at?

i'm going to piggyback on this one because i like arc
have seen this firsthand. i've experienced it from the
beginning since i'm friends with both sides, the
kickers and the kicked out.

the consensus process they enacted to kick a certain
member out was not consensus as i've talked with them
about it. they said they used a "backup" to consensus,
which is NOT consensus. their reason is certain people
block and consistently block so they have no choice.
well, they've forgotten that you can't just
arbitrarily block, an alternative has to be presented
by the person blocking differing from the original.
our imc has been around 2+ years and it works for us.
when i said that, they said we were more "evolved."
not true. we know how to work out our problems. 

then i asked if they at least used parliamentary
procedure and they said yes, but they didn't count
abstentions. well, that's not parliamentary procedure.
that's "make-it-up-as-we-go-along."

the argument shayne brings up about coercion, etc. is
valid, but how about we all agree that imc's and the
voting style of choice is an "unspoken" consensus.

dave 

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