[New-imc] neutrality in handling the Belgian requests

[Pseudo Punk]

mara <mara at indymedia.be> wrote:
> Hello ,
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> I found this on the website of pseudopunk.
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> ”I&apos;m building a syndication site for the Belgian imc&apos;s based on
> kellan&apos;s imc_agg scripts. I&apos;ll put the whole in an SF-Active site
> so people can easily modify static pages and we can easily run some
> publishing for belgian & global news. I&apos;m quite happy with the current
> result of it. I hope to be able to put it live as soon as possible.
> I think before we ever put it live, we need at least some local imc&apos;s
> to have passed the new-imc process. Li&egrave;ge is allready in imc-process
> and Limburg nearly has everything togehter. Then there&apos;s Imc Vlaanderen
> who decided to stop. In the place Imc Ovl & Imc Antwerpen will rise up. This
> makes allready 5 local imc&apos;s, fair enough to force the Imc Li&egrave;ge
> & Imc Wvl proposal.”
> http://www.pseudopunk.be/
> 
> I have a big problem with the last sentence ` to force the imc Liege and wvl
> proposal`.
> 
> As I recall, in August, Bart did made a proposal and we discussed about it
> in the General Meeting of September.
> 
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-belgium-process/2003-September/0015
> 95.htm
> 
> This was the conclusion of the meeting:
> "We zijn gewonnen voor het voorstel van WVL+Liège, maar denken dat daar tijd
> voor nodig is. De lokale initiatieven moeten de tijd krijgen om te groeien
> en te rijpen. We willen zelf stappen ondernemen om het lokale werk beter te
> ondersteunen. Er moeten ook meer autonome lokale groepen komen. We denken
> ook dat het mediacircus daar een rol in kan spelen. Lokaal willen we ook
> niet verengen tot "provinciaal". ...
> 
> Translation in English:
> We are in favour for the WVL and Liege proposal, but we think this needs
> time. Local initiatives need to get the time to grow and to develop. We want
> ourselves take action to support local initiatives. There is also need for
> more local autonomous groups. We also think the Mediacircus can take a role
> in this. Locally does not mean necessarily `by province`. ...(then there
> follows some conclusions on imc vlaanderen, but this is not relevant any
> more)
> 
> I have the feeling the meaning of these conclusions is not properly
> understood. We want to support local initiatives, but this does not
> necessarily mean there is a need to `force` all kind of formal virtual imc`s
> by province.
> 
> If there is a real local group working in a community, city, or around an
> issue, this can also mean `locally`.
> 
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> 
> Apperantly, Bart wants to block the Mediacircus request. He also have some
> doubts about a Molenbeek request.

hey, i told the same to vlaanderen 3 months ago.

 
> As I read the open diary of Pseudopunk, knowing his influence in the new imc
> list, my opinion is he is not well placed to do a follow up of the Belgian
> request.
> Apparently he has a rigid vision on how the Belgian imc landscape should
> develop.
> 
> He writes he even wants to force it.
> 
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> 
> I don’t have a problem with Bart as a person and I do appreciate his
> technical support and other work. Normally he is quite objective in the
> whole imc-belgium discussion.
> 
> that`s why I was so surprised by his reaction. But as I read his diary, he
> does not hide he has an agenda how the future belgian imc network should
> look like.
>
> Only this shows he cannot be the person blocking or approving requests. In
> Dutch we call this `belangenvermenging` (mixture of interests?)
> 

please calm down.
that's just my weblog & this doesn't mean i'll force things.
but if someone else wants to do belgian applications, feel free, I'm not attached to 
it or something.

Bart


 
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> With best regards,
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