[New-imc] Re: TAIWAN
Jay
idiot at jaysand.com
Tue Sep 23 11:02:32 PDT 2003
Hi,
At 9/23/2003, inertia wrote:
>Thanks, Jay.
>
>Now, I got really confused.
>
It's confusing, isn't it?? So sorry! If you can belive it, the process
has become much clearer than it used to be, but we still have far to go.
>First at all, I never got a help (although We didn't expect so) whatever
>in tech or organization from other regions people, part reason is
>simple, the language (even now, the mailman and Twiki system CAN"T
>encoding Chinese correctly, whatever in big5, gb32, utf-8, zh_tw, but we
>must use it as orgainzation tool), more essential reason is the context
>and issues of regions are so different..
>
Definitely the languages, contexts, issues etc. are different from place to
place, but a lot of the basic organizing we do gets stronger from sharing
examples, ideas and successes. Part of the excitement of Indymedia, at
least to me, is the way people (and IMCs) in the network work together and
find common ground in their different languagse and issues.
>If we must wait for some kindly guy show up , then we can kick, it did
>sound strange to us.
>
I'm not talking about anyone who will come visiting, though that would be
nice if someone from another IMC came by to say hi. :) No, generally we do
a lot of communicating on-line. I was just wondering if someone from any
"nearby" IMC had been communicating with you. (at least more nearby than I
am!)
>Secondly, forgive our bad understanding, if so. We read the
><http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowTo>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowTo
>all, and nothing tell us you must wait somebody's help. In 8 article, said:
>
>8.Your new-imc contact proposes your site
Aha. This is the key phrase. "Your new-imc contact." :) That contact is
supposed to be someone from the new-imc working group who responds to your
initial questions and makes sure to be there throughout the organizing
you're doing as you join the network. No blame for bad understanding! The
NewIMCHowTo document must not make itself clear that someone from the
new-imc working group, who has been involved with Indymedia for a while and
knows a lot about how the network works, has to get in touch with
you. But, I guess now we've been in touch.
> * internally to new-imc, if no one blocks within 3 days, this is
> passed to
> * globally to
> <http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-process/>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-process/
> and
> <http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-communication>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-communication
> and if no one blocks there within 7 days, then...
> * you become part of the network.
>so what does it mean anyway? We sent a online form, and have a clear
>statement and editorial policy within (maybe in English not :) ).
>Volunteer of TWIMC are come form activists groups and grassroots,
>including scholars and journalists. We think we can do the mobilization
>and organization by ourself. By the way , we wrote this stuff in Chinese,
>who can read from othre region? in East Asia, no Chinese-speaking region
>or city had a IMC site.
Not yet. :)
>and now only Japan had one. If folks knew geopolitics more, you will
>know the complex between this area, China, Taiwan, Japan and Koren, we
>had a long in-between history.
>
>Third, We just try our way to get it stated since our society /state have
>a crazy good joy to be a member of WTO, corporative capitalism begin
>"earse" our public space and life, "delete" our labor right and low-income
>people, and few counter opinions can represent on the main stream media,
>it's the most emergent thing to Taiwan. For us, the most important thing
>is create a media and social gathering for journalist-activist in Taiwan
>, not to become a membor of offically "IMC". Yes, we did want be part of
>this amazing global scene you created, and it helps to bring more
>Chinese-Speaking people involve the anti-globalization, but if we must
>wait , so what will wait us?
>
I'm sure everyone in the network is excited about having a group form in
Taiwan! It's not about making you wait, really, it's just about developing
a bit of trust between your group and the rest of the network. We do that
bit by bit by getting to know each other via e-mail, and sometimes in
person. The process of joining the network takes some time so your group
has time to organize and get to know more about the network, and so people
from the network can get to know you.
>I have no mean to critic the" rule" if it needed so musch.
>
>and WHO will help ?
I can help, though I know there must be people on the new-imc working group
who are more familiar with the different contexts in which you're doing
your organizing. (and perhaps even speak some of the same languages)
So, it looks like you've come quite far with your organizing. The step
you're missing is to go through the membership criteria document
(http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2001-May/000155.html)
and respond point by point to what's listed there. The document will ask
for your editorial policy, mission statement, etc. (In the point-by-point
list, this is number 7). Then, your new-imc contact (which I guess is me
for the moment) will work with you and and new-imc group to see if anyone
has any questions. If not, (step 8) I'll post your membership criteria
formally to the new-imc group for people to look at for three days, and if
all passes there, I'll post it to the imc-process list for the whole
network to see (lots of people from the network are on the imc-process
list). If people on that list like what they see, your IMC will join the
network.
In the meantime, you can be working like you're doing, getting people to
come to meetings, getting your site together. Definitely keep organizing,
and organizing some more.
I hope this makes things clearer. Again, I apologize for the confusion,
and for no one getting back to you right away. Let me know if you have any
questions based upon this.
And, again, I'm sure everyone in the network who has seen your e-mails is
excited about IMC-Taiwan. We don't mean to slow you down at all, just to
give us all a chance to get to know each other.
Hope this helps,
Jay
>
>keep kicking
>inertia
>TWIMC
>
>-----Original message-----
>From:Jay<idiot at jaysand.com>
>To:inertia<inertia at twimc.org>,shayne<shayne at guild.murdoch.edu.au>
>Cc:new-imc<new-imc at lists.indymedia.org>
>Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:45:24 -0400
>Subject: TAIWAN
>Hi there,
>
>At 9/23/2003, inertia wrote:
>>No ?? Don't break our harts.
>
>:) Sorry! This is Jay from the Philadelphia IMC, and also from the
>new-imc working group. I'm so excited to hear a new IMC is forming in
>Taiwan. That's so great. Yes, you seem to have followed along in the
>new-imc documents, and seem to have done some good organizing.
>
>Basically, once a new IMC starts to get together it sends a message to
>new-imc at indymedia.org (which you did), and someone from the new-imc
>working group is supposed to respond and offer to help you through the
>next steps of the process (mission statement, editorial policy, etc.). No
>one happened to do that, I'm afraid! Usually people from an IMC in the
>area of the forming IMC offer to help them through the process. Have you
>been in touch with any IMCs from your region? I know there aren't too
>many. Japan, perhaps? Jakarta, anywhere in Australia? Maybe someone
>from one of those groups will volunteer to help you.
>
>Don't worry, you're not too far from joining the network! The next steps
>involve doing some more organizing, making sure your group is diverse and
>strong, making sure you've worked through lots of issues important to an
>IMC like what kind of editorial policy you'll have.
>
>So, is there anyone on the new-imc list who may be interested in helping
>the Taiwan IMC through the next few steps?
>
>Jay
>
>>I think We have had approved! I checked all the docs and hlep myself to
>>go thru it. I also can update the contact database as a live !
>>
>>folks can checek the
>><http://www.indymedia.org/contact>http://www.indymedia.org/contact
>>or
>><http://www.indymedia.org/contact/cities.php>http://www.indymedia.org/contact/cities.php
>>you can find the IMC-Taiwan name in that lists.
>>
>>inertia twimc
>>
>>-----Original message-----
>>From:Shayne O'Neill <shayne at guild.murdoch.edu.au>
>>To:s banerian <banerian at u.washington.edu>
>>Cc:New IMC <new-imc at lists.indymedia.org>
>>Date:Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:49:04 +0800 (WST)
>>Subject:Re: [New-imc] [Fwd: [Dns] DNS alias for TWIMC]
>>
>>
>>No, but maybe you can hold there hand thru the process.
>>
>>Alas, I'm up to my neck with junk right now :)
>>
>>Hint: These folks are cool. Likely to become a well loved collective on
>>the network methinx.
>>
>>------------------------------------
>>"Must not Sleep! Must warn others!"
>>-Aesop.
>>Shayne O'Neill. Indymedia. Fun.
>>http://www.perthimc.asn.au
>>
>>On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, s banerian wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > has this site been approved?
>> >
>> >
>> > -------- Original Message --------
>> > Subject: [Dns] DNS alias for TWIMC
>> > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:26:39 +0800 (CST)
>> > From: inertia <inertia at twimc.org>
>> > Reply-To: inertia at twimc.org
>> > To: dns at lists.indymedia.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > hi folks,
>> >
>> > I must send it again beacuse of bad encoing!
>> >
>> > We are IMC-Taiwan collective, in 9/12 we sent a onling form to NEW IMC
>> > PROCESS, according to NEW IMC PROCESS rule, if no member blocks us, we
>> > naturally become part of you,right?
>> >
>> > so ,what next should we go?
>> >
>> > we build a site already and ready to kicks, the url is :www.twimc.org.
>> > And we want a dns alias name like tw.indymedia.org or
>> > taiwan.indymedia.org, that will be fine if we can get this alias name in
>> > apporaching to the Globla indymedia scene.
>> >
>> > And anyone can tell us how to onto the
>> > http://www.indymedia.org/cities.inc list?
>> >
>> >
>> > bests,
>> > inertia, twimc
>> >
>>
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