[New-imc] IMC Belgium and proposed new IMC Vlaanderen

[lize]

Hi, short answer to Stijn’s response,

>>> (Although most I’ve said in my answer to Tuc’s response)
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-belgium-process/2003-September/001670.html

“I regret that Lize, with whom I have been in good contact in the run-up to Cancun, has not made an effort to ask us why this was the case”

>>> “the good contact” consisted of some urls to your articles sent to me by mail (url I had already gathered just following up the imc.vl site)
>>> As you decided to form a separate collective and I am a member of the imc.be, I don’t have any ambition to assist you with your problems. It’s already hard for me to assist new people at the imc.be collective

“if Lize finds the feature of bad quality” 
>>> I said vlo and guido did
“(hey, we're only training) then she might as well have told us so, so we could learn from it.”
>>> idem : As you decided to form a separate collective and I am a member of the imc.be, I don’t have any ambition to assist you with your problems. It’s already hard for me to assist new people at the imc.be collective

“practice of some edito-members to post copy pastes of articles on other sites on the imc-site”
>>> I do it only when it is difficult to make a direct link to the article on a certain site, like e.g. the postings of Marc Maes on the 11.11.11. site : direct urls didn’t seem to work 

“I myself am inclined to focus as much as possible on outreach and offering people a platform for their reports, photos, analyses, ...”
“Unintendedly, a kind of consumer ethics is promoted in which people expect the collective to produce news for them instead of them using the site to produce their own news.”
“full and professional coverage of actions and events.”
”tendencies of 'professionalisation' within the collective.”
>>> idem see my answer to Tuc’s mail : ‘I am very aware of this, that's why I wrote some mails about it on imc.be-process. In fact I read my words in your words here. http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-belgium-process/2003-September/001658.html
>>> what are you up to ? something that I raise as a problem at Imc.be both you and Tuc are using now as an argument AGAINST my mail ???? Besides, I always thought Stijn, that you were the one very much in favour of good ‘professional’ coverage and background articles etc. A lot of times e.g. you complained about the lack of attention to GATS etc. 

I am starting to see that you are not the compagnons I hoped to find. My point at imc.be process is not that I don’t want professional coverage but that we don’t have enough people to do it in a volunteer way. I always hoped you and Tuc and some others at imc.vl could join me on this job. Now I see clearly it is not at all what you are up to with imc.vl. You want to give a platform ? Imc.be is not platform enough to you ? To me, platforms without good counterinformation written on are useless in the struggle to become an alternative mass (&quality!)media . Do you really think you are going to find a lot of people that are more crazy than us and motivated enough to write quality articles/coverage on difficult stuff without being paid for it ? Come on. Are your ambitions for an imc really only ‘let people write their story’? Well, mine are not. I want people to explain why there was a huge electricity breakdown in the US lately and offer them something else than 5 pages of anecdotes of how nice it was at ‘dark’ N.Y, as the mainstream press did. And by writing these kind of articles with some other crazy imc compagnons, I want to convince and motivate people to look for alternative info and write the same kind of articles. You see ? just an example… 

I am getting very, very disappointed in all the good intentions I thought I had read in your original enthousiasm. If imc.vl (and after your mail especially you, Stijn) has the intention to ‘break’ the move towards a massive alternative press source we are on at imc.be now, then don’t expect any mail from me anymore. I won’t fall in the trap to break my energy spending time on your ‘project’. Next week I want to inform people about the European constitution some bastards are about to vote and the protests against it in rome on 3 and 4 october. Do whatever you want. I don’t count on you anymore.

Bye
Lize