[New-imc] Re: [IMC-Process] update and translation of IMC hand book

Mon Apr 19 08:43:32 PDT 2004

Hello Everybody,

I'd just likte to put in my two cents worth on this  issue

Firt of all, wouldn't it be a better idea to use the translations that 
are allready on the wiki and more up to date then start translating the 
outdated info in the book?
I don't see the point in putting time and effort in the translation of  
the info that was originally on newimc.indymedia.org (which has recently 
be replaced with links to the wiki because it was so outdated)
Ok, the damage on the english version has been done,I suppose that 
cannot be changed anymore, but there is no need to repeat it in other 
languages.

Next, this project was originally presented as "compiling a small 
brochure" for limited distribution and internal use at the Dakar 
conference. Somwere along the way one or a few person(s) decided to make 
it into a book (to be spread wider) with an author/publisher without 
seeking consensus about it with the whole network.

Once it got to this point it would only have been fair to annouce the 
plan of a book that was gonna be printed and have the editor/author be 
Indymedia with as content the new imc process to the new imc list, so 
people actually envolved in getting new imc's on their feet could have 
been envolved. I am sure newimc volunteers would have been willing to 
help out and the book would have been up to date.

It would also have been better if  it had been annouced on the process 
list, requesting consensus on having a book published with "Indymedia" 
as author/publisher. This is not a decision that can be made by one 
person, a small group of people or just one collective, that is a 
decision that should give every imc in the network the chance to be 
envolved in the decision making process, i believe that is how it 
usually works.

In itself it was a great initiative, but the result is that now there is 
a book outthere, a recent book, by Indymedia with totally outdated 
information, which i'm affraid makes the whole network look like a bunch 
of amateurs that  cannot do any better than publish outdated (so false) 
information about something as basic as how to join the network.

In solidarity,

Libby

valentine V eben wrote:

>Hi all!  from our discussion in January and Febuary in process and continued in print we did print the handbook materials as was proposed and amended.
>For those who are new to process and print, this handbook is an attempt at producing a hardcopy of http://newimc.indymedia.org, of course including the updated text from the twiki pages. The idea is to provide a print version of what indymedia is-internal processes and how to be involved.
>IMC-UC covered the cost of the first printing.
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>TRANSLATION AND DISTRIBUTION
>Presently there is a discussion with UCIMC(IGAP) and Seattle IMC(GSF) on translation and more distribution.
>Dri from imc-Brasil is trying to coordinate translation.
>At the moment it seems Mike from schNEWS is also into  translation into spanish. Sherri is talking with 
>Luz from imc-Chiapas she too may be into assisting with the  spanish translation. Dri will surely be taking charge of portuguese translation. 
>We need more people to help with translation in other languages. We also need to discuss about how to handle distribution especially for those who are trying to organise imcs in areas without much online access. Again the place for this is imc-print at lists.indymedia.org
>
>PROPOSALS FOR UPDATING THE FIRST EDITION
>-1.)There have been a proposal to update the documentation to included the recent changes that came into place since the womyn proposal. Which includes changes on the application form. There was a discussion to have the womyn proposal be included in membership Criteria and or in Principles of unity. If there is any other place other than the link below where this proposal have been included in the  
>network documentation please mail the link to imc-print.
>-2.) There was also the proposal to include a small introduction/howto on twiki in future editions of the book.
>-3.)There was the proposal to include what mainstream media say about indymedia in the next edition.
>Please we are inviting people to take a while and look at the book as it is and to join the discussion on changes and improvements need in the next editions, in imc-print. 
>
>
>DISCUSSIONS SINCE THE PRINTING OF THE FIRST EDITION
>Some activists have complained that thought the book contains material from indymedia online resources put together as a printed version of the network online documentation IT IS NOT CORRECT TO HAVE WRITTEN ON THE BOOK
> PRINTED BY INDYMEDIA. The activists in question think that though there was a presentation to process and a discussion in print, it was all about the content. That this presentation did not make clear that it will be written on the book "published by indymedia" though the content is a print version of indymedia online text. The point was that it gives the book too much authority, that such a decision  needed to be arrived at from a network consensus.
>The other side of the argument is that writing on the book that it was published by indymedia was to give credit for the book where it belongs-indymedia network, which have right to the content on http://newimc.indymedia.org.
>Well I'll ask that you take time off and read atleast the introduction page of the book in the link below and give your opinion what you think on this issue preferable in process. 
>
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>-Links to download book
>http://www.hedonistpress.com/indymedia/    
>http://docs.indymedia.org/twiki/pub/Global/FirstEditionOfINDYMEDIAHANDBOOK/v1.1.pdf
>-Link to page for book translation 
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/FirstEditionOfINDYMEDIAHANDBOOK
>-link to newimc form including womyn proposal
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewIMCForm
>-link tp what mainstream media say about indymedia
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/StoriesAboutIndymedia
>
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>--------- Original Message ---------
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>DATE: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:47:42
>From: "dri" <dri at indymedia.org>
>To: imc-print at lists.indymedia.org
>Cc: 
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>>oi,
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>>since the discussion about the imc book is going on here i felt i should
>>subscribe to get involved and check the status of the project.
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>>i added a link to some ideas about trasnlations into other languages here:
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>>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/FirstEditionOfINDYMEDIAHANDBOOK
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>>for those who don't know me, i'm a olunteer of imc brazil, involved in the
>>indy world since june 2001.
>>
>>peace,
>>
>>dri
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