[New-imc] sf.indymedia.org/indybay.org Split Problems

Mon Jan 5 14:53:49 PST 2004

I still think this concerns this list too, because, if  we as a group 
and as individuals put our time and effort in getting new (and old) 
imc's through process, help them make decisions and arrangements and 
once they get through the process they ignore all of that and start 
doing exactly what they please, i don't see why we should bother.

Greetings,

Libby

Sarsnic at aol.com wrote:

>I think it is exactly what IMC-US-process was set up for
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>>I think this is a imc-process issue
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>>>lisa natasha <igzoom at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>Hello New IMC Group,
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>>Below is the mediation agreement the SF-IMC consensed
>>upon when deciding to split up. I should have sent it
>>along with the New IMC application for the San
>>Francisco IMC, but I did not.
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>>Our group spent over 16 hours in mediation which cost
>>a lot of money. And unfortunately the agreement is not
>>being upheld by the group that got to keep
>>sf.indymedia.org.
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>>The SFBAY-IMC was supposed to get indybay.org as one
>>of the domain names. And we were also supposed to get
>>a blurb and link to our site from sf.indymedia.org.
>>The new San Francisco has refused to do these things.
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>>Without owning indybay.org, the new San Francisco IMC
>>has the power to point it away from our site at
>>anytime. Without a link to our site from
>>sf.indymedia.org very few people will be able to find
>>our site, and the few people in the new San Francisco
>>IMC will keep the audience it took years for us all to
>>build up, in effect, they will be keeping the rewards
>>of years of other people's work.
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>>We are asking for the new San Francisco IMC to turn
>>over ownership of indybay.org to the SFBAY-IMC
>>immediately and to link to our site as per the
>>agreement. If this does not happen, we would like to
>>ask the New IMC group to re-consider the San Francisco
>>IMC's new IMC application.
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>>Lisa
>>For the SF Bay Area IMC
>>http://indybay.org
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>>(The SF Bay Area IMC  contains 9 people that orginally
>>worked on sf.indymedia.org before the split)
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>>SF-IMC SPLIT AGREEMENT - CONSENSED UPON ON NOV 13,
>>2003
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>>*****SECTION 1 - Domain Name
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>>a) Ryan & Noah's group will get sf.indymedia.org &
>>will need to go through new IMC process.
>>Sf.indymedia.org will have a prominent link and center
>>column blurb about the SF Bay Area IMC on their front
>>page. The center column blurb will stay up for 3
>>months, the link will remain up permanently. The SF
>>Bay Area IMC will not block or impede their new IMC
>>application, and the new IMC will be recognized by the
>>SF Bay Area IMC.
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>>b) The SF Bay Area IMC will change their DNS to
>>sfbay.indymedia.org & indybay.org. The SF Bay Area IMC
>>will not have to go through new IMC process, since
>>they are remaining the SF Bay Area IMC.
>>Sfbay.indymedia.org & indybay.org will have a
>>prominent link and center column blurb about Noah &
>>Ryan's IMC on their front page. The center column
>>blurb will stay up for 3 months, the link will remain
>>up permanently.
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>>c) An email consensed upon by both IMCs will be
>>presented to global Indymedia as a cover letter/blurb
>>to the New IMC group with the new IMC application
>>explaining the mediation process we went through and
>>the decision that we came to. Lisa will draft up this
>>email, to be consensed upon by both groups by Monday.
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>>d) Site software/database of articles/uploaded files
>>Will be copied and shared
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>>e) Jurisdiction
>>People can decide for themselves what IMC they want to
>>be involved in, regardless of where they live.
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>>f) Working Arrangements
>>There will be nothing official saying that Sunny, Mark
>>& Lisa can not work with the new IMC (and the same
>>goes for Noah & Ryan) - it will just be assumed that
>>these people won't want to work with each other and
>>will organize accordingly.
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>>g) SF-ACTIVE
>>The conflict will not spill over into the SF-Active
>>working group. There was a acknowledgement that Noah &
>>Ryan would not try to kick Mark out of the SF-Active
>>Working group.
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>>h) Clarification on blurb and link
>>There will be an identical (small) blurb in the center
>>column of each site for three months. The 1st month it
>>will be the top story, the 2nd month, it will be the
>>2nd story, and the 3rd month it will be the 3rd story.
>>Ian will draft the blurb by Monday, the blurb must be
>>accessible to all. The permanent link to each site
>>respectively will be prominent near the top of each
>>web site.
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>>i) Negative Propaganda
>>Neither IMC will engage in negative propaganda about
>>the other. No one involved in either IMC should ever
>>tell people "don't post to the other IMC" or "The
>>other IMC is not trustworthy." Publicly we should all
>>support both IMCs and respect their existence in the
>>Bay Area and continue to be a resource for the
>>community (no sabotaging each other!).
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>>*****SECTION 2 - Financial Resources
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>>a) Credit Union Account The SF Bay Area IMC will
>>retain the account. The money will be split 50/50
>>between both groups. The SF Bay Area IMC will get an
>>additional $300 to equal what was given to Noah for a
>>"tech slush fund".
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>>b) Slush fund - Will be split evenly between both
>>groups
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>>c) Media Alliance fiscal sponsorship
>>The SF Bay Area IMC will remain fiscally sponsored by
>>Media Alliance. The new IMC will be responsible for
>>finding their own fiscal sponsor.
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>>d) Paypal Account
>>Will be retained by the SF Bay Area IMC, since it is
>>connected to the checking account that they will
>>retain.
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>>e) Financial Timeline
>>Money will be transferred to new IMC by 11/21
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>>*****SECTION 3 - Tech Resources
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>>a) Gauss / transbay donation
>>The SF Bay Area Imc will retain responsibility for it
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>>b) Stray-Black cat - is a linefeed server and will be
>>retained by linefeed
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>>c) Werner - will be returned to josh, he can do what
>>he wants to it.
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>>d) Three pc laptops in the back office - One goes to
>>each Imc, and one goes to Nana
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>>e) Rack-mounted server - Will go to the SF Bay Area
>>IMC and host sfbay.indymedia.org & indybay.org
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>>f) Sfimc.net - will go to Ryan & Noah's IMC
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>>SECTION 4 - Audio Resources
>>a) enemycombatantradio.org - will be the
>>responsibility of the Enemy Combatant Radio collective
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>>b) The name "enemy combatant radio" - will be retained
>>by the Enemy Combatant Radio collective
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>>c) Minidisc recorders - will go to the SF Bay Area IMC
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>>d) Enemy combatant radio mp3 archives - goes to both
>>new IMCs
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>>*****SECTION 5: - Mailing lists
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>>a) Indymedia Mailing lists / Aliases
>>All requested to be turned off. Each group is
>>responsible for creating new mailing lists.
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>>b) Linefeed-sponsored Mailing lists (imc-sf-urgent)
>>All requested to be turned off
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>>c) Indybay Mailing List on Yahoogroups
>>Remain runing as-is, not used for anything but still
>>functioning
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>>*****SECTION 6: Space Resources
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>>a) The Space and all computer equipment in it,
>>including the telephone line, will remain the
>>responsibility of the SF Bay Area IMC.
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>>b) The Radio Office will remain the responsibility of
>>the Enemy Combatant Radio Collective
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>>c) Vacating space timeline
>>Noah & Ryan's group will be out of the SF Bay Area
>>space by December 31. They will send a list of items
>>(with their estimated cost) that remain in the space
>>to the SF Bay Area IMC, so that the SF Bay Area IMC &
>>Suite 216 can figure out how to replace them, or if
>>they will need to purchase them from the owners of the
>>equipment. This list will be given to the SF Bay Area
>>IMC by Dec 15.
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>>*****SECTION 7: Misc Resources
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>>a) Stickers/T-shirts - purchased by Ryan & Noah's
>>group for a price (t-shirts were $5 each, plus tax? we
>>purchased about 500 of them)
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>>b) Police Scanners - retained by Ryan & Noah's group
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>>c) Press Passes Peter will send a clarifying letter to
>>SFPD letting them know that there are 2 groups now. He
>>will send out to int list for approval by Monday.
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