[New-imc] taking back the proposal

[Bht]

I have just had a long discussion in irc with people from both the SF and
SF BAY IMC's.  And I would like to rescind the proposal I made before
those conversations took place.

I know a bit more about what is going, still not the whole story, but I
know that the dns (indybay.org) thing is a bit more tricky.  It is not
owned by wither collective, but by a mutual friend from linefeed, which
seems to be more acquainted with SF.

Originally the SFBAY collective came here to have new imc uphold their
agreement with SF about the domain names.  Because it seems that SF has
sf.indymedia, sfimc.net, and persuasion over indybay.org; I beleive we
were contacted to rescind sf.indymedia.

The high points of debate are 1. police issued presspasses, 2.  dns', 3. 
trust issues, 4.  property theft/with-holding, 5.  publicity.

Point 5 is becasue apparently a memeber of SFBAY talked to the corporate
media and because SFBAY brought these local issues to global process.

During my conversation I tried to negotiate and resolve this to clean it
up offering that the presspasses be returned to SF from SFBAY it exchange
for the blurb and indybay.org.  SFBAY was going to take that to the
collective, but SF wanted no part of that.

So, then the SF people got really heated and were going off about things
that neither me nor global could really help with.  So I tried the
approach of taking it back to the local level and having a face to face
meeting re-negotiating their agreement and getting it in proper writing
and having it signed (apparently their agreement was mostly verbal and the
version we got was lisa's (SFBAY) interpretation from the meeting notes)
or something.

The SF people agreed to take this to their collective, but from talking to
the SFBAY people, they were decidedly against re-negotiating in person.

So tthat is my assessment and I now feel that we should encourage the two
collectives to meet again and work something out in writing, have it
signed by both collectives, and then bring that to global.  Or
somethinglike that.
bht


> I dont know what "power" we have, but I would rather not see a flame war
> going on various global lists about a US IMC.  Being that, I propose:
>
> New-IMC requests that both collectives up hold the terms of the agreement.
> SF IMC will:  hand over the dns indybay.org, and post the blurb.
> SFBAY IMC will:  allow removal of personal items from the physical space.
>
> Or something like that, short and to the point.  The personal issues are
> not something that can be dealt with over email.  I kind of feel that this
> will be overlooked and everything, because we havent even gotten into to
> the second round of bickering about this.  Perhaps we wont need too.
> bht