[New-imc] taking back the proposal

[lisa natasha]

What i wrote.. the agreement... really is the official
version of the agreement. I emailed it to everyone
involved the morning after the mediation session. I
copied down everything the mediator had put on the
white paper. AND i asked everyone to make sure it is
correct, because that is our agreement.

We already went through a very long mediation process
with people in the sf collective. We gave up
sf.indymedia.org in good faith that we would get
indybay.org. If we do not have indybay.org then the
other group should not be able to keep
sf.indymedia.org. Our group gave up our web site, the
only thing of real value, something we have all worked
for years on. We just want the domain that was
promised to us and a link to our site. There will not
be any further negotiations at a local level with the
SF grouop. We already did that. We already have an
agreement. It just needs to be abided by now.

Lisa
--- Bht <criticalmasser at riseup.net> wrote:
> I have just had a long discussion in irc with people
> from both the SF and
> SF BAY IMC's.  And I would like to rescind the
> proposal I made before
> those conversations took place.
> 
> I know a bit more about what is going, still not the
> whole story, but I
> know that the dns (indybay.org) thing is a bit more
> tricky.  It is not
> owned by wither collective, but by a mutual friend
> from linefeed, which
> seems to be more acquainted with SF.
> 
> Originally the SFBAY collective came here to have
> new imc uphold their
> agreement with SF about the domain names.  Because
> it seems that SF has
> sf.indymedia, sfimc.net, and persuasion over
> indybay.org; I beleive we
> were contacted to rescind sf.indymedia.
> 
> The high points of debate are 1. police issued
> presspasses, 2.  dns', 3. 
> trust issues, 4.  property theft/with-holding, 5. 
> publicity.
> 
> Point 5 is becasue apparently a memeber of SFBAY
> talked to the corporate
> media and because SFBAY brought these local issues
> to global process.
> 
> During my conversation I tried to negotiate and
> resolve this to clean it
> up offering that the presspasses be returned to SF
> from SFBAY it exchange
> for the blurb and indybay.org.  SFBAY was going to
> take that to the
> collective, but SF wanted no part of that.
> 
> So, then the SF people got really heated and were
> going off about things
> that neither me nor global could really help with. 
> So I tried the
> approach of taking it back to the local level and
> having a face to face
> meeting re-negotiating their agreement and getting
> it in proper writing
> and having it signed (apparently their agreement was
> mostly verbal and the
> version we got was lisa's (SFBAY) interpretation
> from the meeting notes)
> or something.
> 
> The SF people agreed to take this to their
> collective, but from talking to
> the SFBAY people, they were decidedly against
> re-negotiating in person.
> 
> So tthat is my assessment and I now feel that we
> should encourage the two
> collectives to meet again and work something out in
> writing, have it
> signed by both collectives, and then bring that to
> global.  Or
> somethinglike that.
> bht
> 
> 
> > I dont know what "power" we have, but I would
> rather not see a flame war
> > going on various global lists about a US IMC. 
> Being that, I propose:
> >
> > New-IMC requests that both collectives up hold the
> terms of the agreement.
> > SF IMC will:  hand over the dns indybay.org, and
> post the blurb.
> > SFBAY IMC will:  allow removal of personal items
> from the physical space.
> >
> > Or something like that, short and to the point. 
> The personal issues are
> > not something that can be dealt with over email. 
> I kind of feel that this
> > will be overlooked and everything, because we
> havent even gotten into to
> > the second round of bickering about this.  Perhaps
> we wont need too.
> > bht
> 
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