[New-imc] Proposal to move SF discussion to different list

[Kristen E. Kordecki]

I don't know much about the "rules and regulations" for this list, but it 
seems this discussion needs to move to a DIFFERENT list.  On this list, it 
serves no other purpose than furthering arguments in hopes of support, 
understanding etc. from folks who are new to the IMC process.  This is 
unfair to us and doesn't seem to behoove either of your IMC collectives 
either.  It is imperative to have transparency.  This doesn't seem like 
transparency, but more like politiking.  If further discussion needs to 
take place or information distributed to other IMCs must happen, good, but, 
I'm not sure how this list is the appropriate place.

I suggest it moves to a more appropriate listserve.

With all due respect,
Kristen

At 01:13 AM 1/7/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Otto,
>
>Tuesday, January 06, 2004, 6:05:43 PM, Otto said:
>
> >> In the case of SF, the divisions they have chosen make sense, one for
> >> the city & one for the
> >> metropolitan area.
>
>ON> Actually, just to clarify, that is not how the division took place. The
>ON> split was never along regional lines. While initially the people who
>ON> wanted to split (who now run sf.indymedia.org) demanded a split between
>ON> San Francisco and East Bay (demanding that they keep San Francisco),
>ON> most people rejected it as a ridiculous idea since both bays are
>ON> geographically so close and intertwined in activities (and especially
>ON> since one of the main people demanding the split lives in the East Bay
>ON> himself).
>
>That may be the case, but from the way the 2 sites look & how they
>look in the cities list I do not think anyone will understand your
>distinction.  As the 2 sites continue, I'm sure some sort of
>distinction in the posts will take place, whether among geographic,
>economic, political, or other divisions. This will likely be due to
>the growing nature of the sites more so than necessarily the
>intentions laid out in the mediation agreement.
>
>ON> The bottom line is that this split was never about regional lines such
>ON> as city vs. metropolitan area.
>
>Just for clarification, what was the split about?
>
> >> It may make sense for both groups to submit documents to new-imc & go
> >> through the approval process.
>
>ON> As shown on the mediation split agreement, "Ryan & Noah's group will
>ON> get sf.indymedia.org & will need to go through new IMC process" because
>ON> they were the ones splitting from the group to form a new imc (even
>ON> though they ended up with the sf.indymedia.org domain) while the
>ON> indybay.org is not a new imc but a continuation of the San Francisco
>ON> Bay Area IMC as it has always been.
>
>ON> -Jino
>
>I understand that was the mediation agreement, of which the New-IMC
>working group was not a part.  However, my suggestion was based on the
>fact that I do not think we have dealt with this type of split before.
>The closest type of split I can recall that actually made it to the
>process was when a new group wanted to come in & take over a defunct
>IMC whose original collective gave up the site.  It is not the same
>situation by far, but we did make the new group claiming the
>collective go through the process.  I apologize for not following the
>Belgium situation closer to compare how we handled that to this. That
>could also be a precedent.
>
>On the other hand, & that is why I said "may make sense", we are a
>collection of autonomous collectives & the decisions come from the
>bottom up & not the top down.  We should respect the decisions of a
>local collective as long as they are within our broadly defined
>principles.
>
>I do not know how specifically to proceed, but I do want to present
>the arguments for what I see as important choices before we do
>proceed.
>
>--
>Mike
>mailto:micro.zen at verizon.net
>
>
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