[New-imc] Re: Online form: Proposed new IMC! (DNC IMC)

Mike R micro.zen at verizon.net
Mon Jan 12 13:21:54 PST 2004 

Hi Bht,

dnc.us.indymedia.org sounds much better than dnc.boston.indy.
elections.us.indy or president.us.indy could also be the home to dnc,
rnc, and other us election coverage sites.

-Mike

Monday, January 12, 2004, 3:47:51 PM, Bht said:

B> Hi there.  I just want to point out a few things.

B> Recently us.indymedia.org became a website and recognized and all that. 
B> There has been talk somewhere of using that resource for coverage of the
B> political conventions and the election and all that which is happening in
B> america.

B> This does not discredit wanting to have an IMC specific to DNC.  However,
B> i support clara's block in the url department.  dnc.indy is so event
B> specific it would be much better suited to boston or us imc.

B> I think that a static webpage would be fine for providing resources
B> (housing and transportation and the like), rncnotwelcome.org is a good
B> example of that.

B> And lastly, Robert, you said that you sponsored DNC IMC.  It was recently
B> decided (I am 99% sure) that you cannot sponsor an IMC through process
B> that you work with.  That is a conflict of interest.

B> bht (portland IMC)



>> All good points, Ganesh.
>>
>> The DNC IMC website was being created with solidarity of regional and
>> national groups in mind, who are getting into the streets of Boston
>> regardless of what Boston IMC does.  Action against the DNC, in whatever
>> form, is going to happen whether IMC gets involved or not.  So why not get
>> involved?  Therefore, the main focus of the site was to relate to these
>> groups in three distinct ways:
>>
>> 1 - to provide resources into housing, maps, transportation, eateries,
>> etc. for those coming into the city and unfamiliar with the area, and
>>
>> 2 - to fill our usual role as a grassroots media outlet covering the
>> actions of these groups, making sure the overall message of the whys,
>> wheres, and hows of a constructive protest is relayed to the public.
>>
>> 3 - detail background information on the convention, the party, current
>> issues, and current Democratic presidential candidates to better inform
>> our readers about such matters, that they may apply this information to
>> their own views and actions
>>
>> Not to mention it would have complimented the similar actions happening
>> around the Republican National Convention in New York later this summer.
>> So, you're right in saying this website was 'US-focused,' but rest assured
>> the IMC isn't specifically turning a critical eye against the Democrats
>> alone for any reason.
>>
>> For the most part, DNC IMC *is* Boston IMC.  Our two biggest reasons in
>> wanting to create a separate website for the event were to have all the
>> components of a usual IMC (newswire, calendar, features, etc.) dedicated
>> to DNC-related posts and not lumped in with everyday posts the Boston IMC
>> receives on our website.  Also, the dadaIMC codebase doesn't appreciate
>> being a subdirectory within an installation; i.e.,
>> http://boston.indymedia.org/dnc/ wasn't quite working.
>>
>> Also, I think a topic IMC based on the upcoming presidential election is
>> an *EXCELLENT* idea.  I can't stress that enough.  One could fill an
>> entire website simply covering electronic voting and how much of a farce
>> that's turning out to be.  I would definitely urge someone to step forward
>> and sponsor such a website.  I know I would love to get involved with
>> that.
>>
>> Just be careful what name domain name one asks for.
>>
>> Hopefully this helps clarify our reasonings.  Best regards,
>>
>> Robert
>> Boston Independent Media Center
>>
>>
>> Montgomery Cheddar said:
>>> An IMC covering the annual general meeting of a particular political
>>> party
>>> seems odd to me. Why the Democrats in particular? It could be seen as
>>> promoting a party political agenda. Moreover, it seems US-focussed,
>>> rather
>>> than topical. As someone outside the US, I would rather see IMC coverage
>>> of the US Presidential election and perhaps this would be a better use
>>> of
>>> resources. Also, would it not be better if Boston IMC run its own
>>> coverage
>>> on the Democratic National Convention?
>>>
>>> Ganesh
>>> (India IMCvadi)
>>>
>>> clara <clara at ifrik.org> wrote:
>>> okay,
>>> just be quick and clear, even though I think there were numerous
>>> concerns
>>> raised on this list as immediate replies:
>>> I'm blocking such a url.
>>>
>>> I send a longer mail later today
>>>
>>> clara
>>>
>>>
>>> At 16:14 12-1-2004, Robert wrote:
>>>>Hey all,
>>>>
>>>>Wondering if I might strike up the discussion on my application again.
>>>> My
>>>>apologies for pushing this along, but Boston desperately needs to get
>>>> this
>>>>underway.
>>>>
>>>>The feeling in Boston, with respects to the suggestions made on this
>>>>application regarding the DNS (e.g.,
>>>> democraticparty.topic.indymedia.org,
>>>>dnc.topicimc.org, etc.), is that we would still like to pursue
>>>>dnc.indymedia.org as the official URL for coverage of the Democratic
>>>>National Convention in July.
>>>>
>>>>I feel that the discussion arising from this applicaton, as I'm sure
>>>> it's
>>>>sprang up from previous requests for issue-based IMCs, is an important
>>>>one. We should indeed amend our existing process for the creating for
>>>> all
>>>>IMCs with a uniform URL for topic based websites. However, until that
>>>>decision is finalized, we should not allow process to impede progress
>>>> for
>>>>current applications. The need for this website is long since due in
>>>>Boston, and judging by the respectful yet lengthy debate on how to
>>>> handle
>>>>topic IMC URLs following my applicaton, we cannot wait for this approval
>>>>to come before creating our DNC website.
>>>>
>>>>It's been two weeks since I applied for dnc.indymedia.org. If I've read
>>>>the new imc website correctly, should no one block on new imc for three
>>>>days, the discussion move to imc process for one week, and approval be
>>>> met
>>>>should no one block there within a week's time. I hesitated a reminder
>>>> of
>>>>this application because of the discussion, wanting to make sure
>>>> everyone
>>>>was heard (and, yeah, because of the holidays). Given the extension and
>>>>no official block, I ask that this now move to IMC-process for review.
>>>>
>>>>The original application is included again below for easier reference.
>>>>
>>>>Also, on another note, a little while back there was question into
>>>>sponsors for all open applications; just to clarify for DNC, I am the
>>>>sponsor for this website, acting as liason for the Boston IMC.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks so much,
>>>>
>>>>Robert
>>>>Boston Independent Media Center
>>>>
>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>Submitted by: Robert on Sunday, December 28th, 2003 @
>>>>1:04:22 am (-0500)
>>>>
>>>>Client Variables
>>>>----------------
>>>>
>>>>HTTP_USER_AGENT:
>>>>Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; MyIE2; .NET CLR
>>>> 1.1.4322)
>>>>
>>>>Online Form Fields
>>>>------------------
>>>>
>>>>imc_name:
>>>>dnc.indymedia
>>>>
>>>>city:
>>>>Boston
>>>>
>>>>state:
>>>>MA
>>>>
>>>>country:
>>>>United States
>>>>
>>>>contact_name:
>>>>Robert
>>>>
>>>>contact_email:
>>>>robert at riseup.net
>>>>
>>>>contact_phone:
>>>>781-454-7825
>>>>
>>>>tech_name:
>>>>Robert
>>>>
>>>>tech_email:
>>>>robert at riseup.net
>>>>
>>>>tech_phone:
>>>>781-454-7825
>>>>
>>>>supporting_groups:
>>>>Boston IMC
>>>>
>>>>issue_focus:
>>>>yes
>>>>
>>>>critical_dates:
>>>>July 26-29th (DNC event)
>>>>
>>>>resources:
>>>>Boston Indymedia is already in preparation to assist organizing and to
>>>>cover the Democratic National Convention, held in Boston this July.
>>>>Several of the mailing lists for organizing working groups have been
>>>>formed, and we\'ve confirmed hosting space of the Buffalo IMC server,
>>>>Dissent, which currently hosts the Boston IMC website as well as many
>>>>other IMC websites in New England and the nation.
>>>>
>>>>outreach:
>>>>In addition to already working as an IMC collective to prepare for this
>>>>event, members of the Boston team have attended meetings of other
>>>> affinity
>>>>groups in the area. Individuals from our community and activists from
>>>>around the nation having inquired about information about this event, as
>>>>well as contact for other local groups, housing, transportation, etc.
>>>>This in mind, we will dedicate a large portion of the website will focus
>>>>on the efforts of local groups converging against the DNC.
>>>>
>>>>introductory_statement:
>>>>Originally intended placing a focus on the DNC within our existing
>>>>website, the Boston IMC tech team considered it would be both better
>>>>managed and better archived to create a separate website that could be
>>>>used in the future for other local IMCs to plan protests against in
>>>> future
>>>>conventions, wherever they should take place.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>imc-process at lists.indymedia.org
>>>>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-process
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