[New-imc] Re: Online form: Proposed new IMC! (DNC IMC)

Forrest English forrest at truffula.net
Mon Jan 12 14:17:31 PST 2004 

This could also be used for other types of convergences in a country
where indymedia coverage will be, but there either is...

1. not a local IMC
2. the local IMC would like it to be seperate from their existing
infastructure
3. not enough interest for a full blown topic IMC (I know many are still
torn some way on issue/topic IMCs)

On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 13:21, Mike R wrote:
> Hi Bht,
> 
> dnc.us.indymedia.org sounds much better than dnc.boston.indy.
> elections.us.indy or president.us.indy could also be the home to dnc,
> rnc, and other us election coverage sites.
> 
> -Mike
> 
> Monday, January 12, 2004, 3:47:51 PM, Bht said:
> 
> B> Hi there.  I just want to point out a few things.
> 
> B> Recently us.indymedia.org became a website and recognized and all that. 
> B> There has been talk somewhere of using that resource for coverage of the
> B> political conventions and the election and all that which is happening in
> B> america.
> 
> B> This does not discredit wanting to have an IMC specific to DNC.  However,
> B> i support clara's block in the url department.  dnc.indy is so event
> B> specific it would be much better suited to boston or us imc.
> 
> B> I think that a static webpage would be fine for providing resources
> B> (housing and transportation and the like), rncnotwelcome.org is a good
> B> example of that.
> 
> B> And lastly, Robert, you said that you sponsored DNC IMC.  It was recently
> B> decided (I am 99% sure) that you cannot sponsor an IMC through process
> B> that you work with.  That is a conflict of interest.
> 
> B> bht (portland IMC)
> 
> 
> 
> >> All good points, Ganesh.
> >>
> >> The DNC IMC website was being created with solidarity of regional and
> >> national groups in mind, who are getting into the streets of Boston
> >> regardless of what Boston IMC does.  Action against the DNC, in whatever
> >> form, is going to happen whether IMC gets involved or not.  So why not get
> >> involved?  Therefore, the main focus of the site was to relate to these
> >> groups in three distinct ways:
> >>
> >> 1 - to provide resources into housing, maps, transportation, eateries,
> >> etc. for those coming into the city and unfamiliar with the area, and
> >>
> >> 2 - to fill our usual role as a grassroots media outlet covering the
> >> actions of these groups, making sure the overall message of the whys,
> >> wheres, and hows of a constructive protest is relayed to the public.
> >>
> >> 3 - detail background information on the convention, the party, current
> >> issues, and current Democratic presidential candidates to better inform
> >> our readers about such matters, that they may apply this information to
> >> their own views and actions
> >>
> >> Not to mention it would have complimented the similar actions happening
> >> around the Republican National Convention in New York later this summer.
> >> So, you're right in saying this website was 'US-focused,' but rest assured
> >> the IMC isn't specifically turning a critical eye against the Democrats
> >> alone for any reason.
> >>
> >> For the most part, DNC IMC *is* Boston IMC.  Our two biggest reasons in
> >> wanting to create a separate website for the event were to have all the
> >> components of a usual IMC (newswire, calendar, features, etc.) dedicated
> >> to DNC-related posts and not lumped in with everyday posts the Boston IMC
> >> receives on our website.  Also, the dadaIMC codebase doesn't appreciate
> >> being a subdirectory within an installation; i.e.,
> >> http://boston.indymedia.org/dnc/ wasn't quite working.
> >>
> >> Also, I think a topic IMC based on the upcoming presidential election is
> >> an *EXCELLENT* idea.  I can't stress that enough.  One could fill an
> >> entire website simply covering electronic voting and how much of a farce
> >> that's turning out to be.  I would definitely urge someone to step forward
> >> and sponsor such a website.  I know I would love to get involved with
> >> that.
> >>
> >> Just be careful what name domain name one asks for.
> >>
> >> Hopefully this helps clarify our reasonings.  Best regards,
> >>
> >> Robert
> >> Boston Independent Media Center
> >>
> >>
> >> Montgomery Cheddar said:
> >>> An IMC covering the annual general meeting of a particular political
> >>> party
> >>> seems odd to me. Why the Democrats in particular? It could be seen as
> >>> promoting a party political agenda. Moreover, it seems US-focussed,
> >>> rather
> >>> than topical. As someone outside the US, I would rather see IMC coverage
> >>> of the US Presidential election and perhaps this would be a better use
> >>> of
> >>> resources. Also, would it not be better if Boston IMC run its own
> >>> coverage
> >>> on the Democratic National Convention?
> >>>
> >>> Ganesh
> >>> (India IMCvadi)
> >>>
> >>> clara <clara at ifrik.org> wrote:
> >>> okay,
> >>> just be quick and clear, even though I think there were numerous
> >>> concerns
> >>> raised on this list as immediate replies:
> >>> I'm blocking such a url.
> >>>
> >>> I send a longer mail later today
> >>>
> >>> clara
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At 16:14 12-1-2004, Robert wrote:
> >>>>Hey all,
> >>>>
> >>>>Wondering if I might strike up the discussion on my application again.
> >>>> My
> >>>>apologies for pushing this along, but Boston desperately needs to get
> >>>> this
> >>>>underway.
> >>>>
> >>>>The feeling in Boston, with respects to the suggestions made on this
> >>>>application regarding the DNS (e.g.,
> >>>> democraticparty.topic.indymedia.org,
> >>>>dnc.topicimc.org, etc.), is that we would still like to pursue
> >>>>dnc.indymedia.org as the official URL for coverage of the Democratic
> >>>>National Convention in July.
> >>>>
> >>>>I feel that the discussion arising from this applicaton, as I'm sure
> >>>> it's
> >>>>sprang up from previous requests for issue-based IMCs, is an important
> >>>>one. We should indeed amend our existing process for the creating for
> >>>> all
> >>>>IMCs with a uniform URL for topic based websites. However, until that
> >>>>decision is finalized, we should not allow process to impede progress
> >>>> for
> >>>>current applications. The need for this website is long since due in
> >>>>Boston, and judging by the respectful yet lengthy debate on how to
> >>>> handle
> >>>>topic IMC URLs following my applicaton, we cannot wait for this approval
> >>>>to come before creating our DNC website.
> >>>>
> >>>>It's been two weeks since I applied for dnc.indymedia.org. If I've read
> >>>>the new imc website correctly, should no one block on new imc for three
> >>>>days, the discussion move to imc process for one week, and approval be
> >>>> met
> >>>>should no one block there within a week's time. I hesitated a reminder
> >>>> of
> >>>>this application because of the discussion, wanting to make sure
> >>>> everyone
> >>>>was heard (and, yeah, because of the holidays). Given the extension and
> >>>>no official block, I ask that this now move to IMC-process for review.
> >>>>
> >>>>The original application is included again below for easier reference.
> >>>>
> >>>>Also, on another note, a little while back there was question into
> >>>>sponsors for all open applications; just to clarify for DNC, I am the
> >>>>sponsor for this website, acting as liason for the Boston IMC.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks so much,
> >>>>
> >>>>Robert
> >>>>Boston Independent Media Center
> >>>>
> >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>Submitted by: Robert on Sunday, December 28th, 2003 @
> >>>>1:04:22 am (-0500)
> >>>>
> >>>>Client Variables
> >>>>----------------
> >>>>
> >>>>HTTP_USER_AGENT:
> >>>>Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; MyIE2; .NET CLR
> >>>> 1.1.4322)
> >>>>
> >>>>Online Form Fields
> >>>>------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>imc_name:
> >>>>dnc.indymedia
> >>>>
> >>>>city:
> >>>>Boston
> >>>>
> >>>>state:
> >>>>MA
> >>>>
> >>>>country:
> >>>>United States
> >>>>
> >>>>contact_name:
> >>>>Robert
> >>>>
> >>>>contact_email:
> >>>>robert at riseup.net
> >>>>
> >>>>contact_phone:
> >>>>781-454-7825
> >>>>
> >>>>tech_name:
> >>>>Robert
> >>>>
> >>>>tech_email:
> >>>>robert at riseup.net
> >>>>
> >>>>tech_phone:
> >>>>781-454-7825
> >>>>
> >>>>supporting_groups:
> >>>>Boston IMC
> >>>>
> >>>>issue_focus:
> >>>>yes
> >>>>
> >>>>critical_dates:
> >>>>July 26-29th (DNC event)
> >>>>
> >>>>resources:
> >>>>Boston Indymedia is already in preparation to assist organizing and to
> >>>>cover the Democratic National Convention, held in Boston this July.
> >>>>Several of the mailing lists for organizing working groups have been
> >>>>formed, and we\'ve confirmed hosting space of the Buffalo IMC server,
> >>>>Dissent, which currently hosts the Boston IMC website as well as many
> >>>>other IMC websites in New England and the nation.
> >>>>
> >>>>outreach:
> >>>>In addition to already working as an IMC collective to prepare for this
> >>>>event, members of the Boston team have attended meetings of other
> >>>> affinity
> >>>>groups in the area. Individuals from our community and activists from
> >>>>around the nation having inquired about information about this event, as
> >>>>well as contact for other local groups, housing, transportation, etc.
> >>>>This in mind, we will dedicate a large portion of the website will focus
> >>>>on the efforts of local groups converging against the DNC.
> >>>>
> >>>>introductory_statement:
> >>>>Originally intended placing a focus on the DNC within our existing
> >>>>website, the Boston IMC tech team considered it would be both better
> >>>>managed and better archived to create a separate website that could be
> >>>>used in the future for other local IMCs to plan protests against in
> >>>> future
> >>>>conventions, wherever they should take place.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>imc-process mailing list
> >>>>imc-process at lists.indymedia.org
> >>>>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-process
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