[New-imc] Re: Online form: Proposed new IMC! (DNC IMC)

Shayne O'Neill shayne at guild.murdoch.edu.au
Mon Jan 12 22:28:25 PST 2004 

Just as an idea,

what if we had something like;-

convergence.indymedia.org
or
conference.indymedia.org

and these dudes have a url of the structure

covergance.indymedia.org/dnc

or

convergance.indymedia.org/miama

from there we can either set up a single unified imc site that has
'sub' imc's in the sense that uk indy does with subregional imc's or
individual imc's with the main convergence site having syndication of the
sub imc's and/or selected features/summaries. from it.


This has the advantage of also keeping a good history of the 'movement'
(yay I sound like ms klein!!!! THE MOVEMENT! THE MOVMENT!) in once place
for easy access and study by historians and researchers.

Just an idea.

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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Forrest English wrote:

> This could also be used for other types of convergences in a country
> where indymedia coverage will be, but there either is...
>
> 1. not a local IMC
> 2. the local IMC would like it to be seperate from their existing
> infastructure
> 3. not enough interest for a full blown topic IMC (I know many are still
> torn some way on issue/topic IMCs)
>
> On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 13:21, Mike R wrote:
> > Hi Bht,
> >
> > dnc.us.indymedia.org sounds much better than dnc.boston.indy.
> > elections.us.indy or president.us.indy could also be the home to dnc,
> > rnc, and other us election coverage sites.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > Monday, January 12, 2004, 3:47:51 PM, Bht said:
> >
> > B> Hi there.  I just want to point out a few things.
> >
> > B> Recently us.indymedia.org became a website and recognized and all that.
> > B> There has been talk somewhere of using that resource for coverage of the
> > B> political conventions and the election and all that which is happening in
> > B> america.
> >
> > B> This does not discredit wanting to have an IMC specific to DNC.  However,
> > B> i support clara's block in the url department.  dnc.indy is so event
> > B> specific it would be much better suited to boston or us imc.
> >
> > B> I think that a static webpage would be fine for providing resources
> > B> (housing and transportation and the like), rncnotwelcome.org is a good
> > B> example of that.
> >
> > B> And lastly, Robert, you said that you sponsored DNC IMC.  It was recently
> > B> decided (I am 99% sure) that you cannot sponsor an IMC through process
> > B> that you work with.  That is a conflict of interest.
> >
> > B> bht (portland IMC)
> >
> >
> >
> > >> All good points, Ganesh.
> > >>
> > >> The DNC IMC website was being created with solidarity of regional and
> > >> national groups in mind, who are getting into the streets of Boston
> > >> regardless of what Boston IMC does.  Action against the DNC, in whatever
> > >> form, is going to happen whether IMC gets involved or not.  So why not get
> > >> involved?  Therefore, the main focus of the site was to relate to these
> > >> groups in three distinct ways:
> > >>
> > >> 1 - to provide resources into housing, maps, transportation, eateries,
> > >> etc. for those coming into the city and unfamiliar with the area, and
> > >>
> > >> 2 - to fill our usual role as a grassroots media outlet covering the
> > >> actions of these groups, making sure the overall message of the whys,
> > >> wheres, and hows of a constructive protest is relayed to the public.
> > >>
> > >> 3 - detail background information on the convention, the party, current
> > >> issues, and current Democratic presidential candidates to better inform
> > >> our readers about such matters, that they may apply this information to
> > >> their own views and actions
> > >>
> > >> Not to mention it would have complimented the similar actions happening
> > >> around the Republican National Convention in New York later this summer.
> > >> So, you're right in saying this website was 'US-focused,' but rest assured
> > >> the IMC isn't specifically turning a critical eye against the Democrats
> > >> alone for any reason.
> > >>
> > >> For the most part, DNC IMC *is* Boston IMC.  Our two biggest reasons in
> > >> wanting to create a separate website for the event were to have all the
> > >> components of a usual IMC (newswire, calendar, features, etc.) dedicated
> > >> to DNC-related posts and not lumped in with everyday posts the Boston IMC
> > >> receives on our website.  Also, the dadaIMC codebase doesn't appreciate
> > >> being a subdirectory within an installation; i.e.,
> > >> http://boston.indymedia.org/dnc/ wasn't quite working.
> > >>
> > >> Also, I think a topic IMC based on the upcoming presidential election is
> > >> an *EXCELLENT* idea.  I can't stress that enough.  One could fill an
> > >> entire website simply covering electronic voting and how much of a farce
> > >> that's turning out to be.  I would definitely urge someone to step forward
> > >> and sponsor such a website.  I know I would love to get involved with
> > >> that.
> > >>
> > >> Just be careful what name domain name one asks for.
> > >>
> > >> Hopefully this helps clarify our reasonings.  Best regards,
> > >>
> > >> Robert
> > >> Boston Independent Media Center
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Montgomery Cheddar said:
> > >>> An IMC covering the annual general meeting of a particular political
> > >>> party
> > >>> seems odd to me. Why the Democrats in particular? It could be seen as
> > >>> promoting a party political agenda. Moreover, it seems US-focussed,
> > >>> rather
> > >>> than topical. As someone outside the US, I would rather see IMC coverage
> > >>> of the US Presidential election and perhaps this would be a better use
> > >>> of
> > >>> resources. Also, would it not be better if Boston IMC run its own
> > >>> coverage
> > >>> on the Democratic National Convention?
> > >>>
> > >>> Ganesh
> > >>> (India IMCvadi)
> > >>>
> > >>> clara <clara at ifrik.org> wrote:
> > >>> okay,
> > >>> just be quick and clear, even though I think there were numerous
> > >>> concerns
> > >>> raised on this list as immediate replies:
> > >>> I'm blocking such a url.
> > >>>
> > >>> I send a longer mail later today
> > >>>
> > >>> clara
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> At 16:14 12-1-2004, Robert wrote:
> > >>>>Hey all,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Wondering if I might strike up the discussion on my application again.
> > >>>> My
> > >>>>apologies for pushing this along, but Boston desperately needs to get
> > >>>> this
> > >>>>underway.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>The feeling in Boston, with respects to the suggestions made on this
> > >>>>application regarding the DNS (e.g.,
> > >>>> democraticparty.topic.indymedia.org,
> > >>>>dnc.topicimc.org, etc.), is that we would still like to pursue
> > >>>>dnc.indymedia.org as the official URL for coverage of the Democratic
> > >>>>National Convention in July.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>I feel that the discussion arising from this applicaton, as I'm sure
> > >>>> it's
> > >>>>sprang up from previous requests for issue-based IMCs, is an important
> > >>>>one. We should indeed amend our existing process for the creating for
> > >>>> all
> > >>>>IMCs with a uniform URL for topic based websites. However, until that
> > >>>>decision is finalized, we should not allow process to impede progress
> > >>>> for
> > >>>>current applications. The need for this website is long since due in
> > >>>>Boston, and judging by the respectful yet lengthy debate on how to
> > >>>> handle
> > >>>>topic IMC URLs following my applicaton, we cannot wait for this approval
> > >>>>to come before creating our DNC website.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>It's been two weeks since I applied for dnc.indymedia.org. If I've read
> > >>>>the new imc website correctly, should no one block on new imc for three
> > >>>>days, the discussion move to imc process for one week, and approval be
> > >>>> met
> > >>>>should no one block there within a week's time. I hesitated a reminder
> > >>>> of
> > >>>>this application because of the discussion, wanting to make sure
> > >>>> everyone
> > >>>>was heard (and, yeah, because of the holidays). Given the extension and
> > >>>>no official block, I ask that this now move to IMC-process for review.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>The original application is included again below for easier reference.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Also, on another note, a little while back there was question into
> > >>>>sponsors for all open applications; just to clarify for DNC, I am the
> > >>>>sponsor for this website, acting as liason for the Boston IMC.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Thanks so much,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Robert
> > >>>>Boston Independent Media Center
> > >>>>
> > >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Submitted by: Robert on Sunday, December 28th, 2003 @
> > >>>>1:04:22 am (-0500)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Client Variables
> > >>>>----------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>HTTP_USER_AGENT:
> > >>>>Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; MyIE2; .NET CLR
> > >>>> 1.1.4322)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Online Form Fields
> > >>>>------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>imc_name:
> > >>>>dnc.indymedia
> > >>>>
> > >>>>city:
> > >>>>Boston
> > >>>>
> > >>>>state:
> > >>>>MA
> > >>>>
> > >>>>country:
> > >>>>United States
> > >>>>
> > >>>>contact_name:
> > >>>>Robert
> > >>>>
> > >>>>contact_email:
> > >>>>robert at riseup.net
> > >>>>
> > >>>>contact_phone:
> > >>>>781-454-7825
> > >>>>
> > >>>>tech_name:
> > >>>>Robert
> > >>>>
> > >>>>tech_email:
> > >>>>robert at riseup.net
> > >>>>
> > >>>>tech_phone:
> > >>>>781-454-7825
> > >>>>
> > >>>>supporting_groups:
> > >>>>Boston IMC
> > >>>>
> > >>>>issue_focus:
> > >>>>yes
> > >>>>
> > >>>>critical_dates:
> > >>>>July 26-29th (DNC event)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>resources:
> > >>>>Boston Indymedia is already in preparation to assist organizing and to
> > >>>>cover the Democratic National Convention, held in Boston this July.
> > >>>>Several of the mailing lists for organizing working groups have been
> > >>>>formed, and we\'ve confirmed hosting space of the Buffalo IMC server,
> > >>>>Dissent, which currently hosts the Boston IMC website as well as many
> > >>>>other IMC websites in New England and the nation.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>outreach:
> > >>>>In addition to already working as an IMC collective to prepare for this
> > >>>>event, members of the Boston team have attended meetings of other
> > >>>> affinity
> > >>>>groups in the area. Individuals from our community and activists from
> > >>>>around the nation having inquired about information about this event, as
> > >>>>well as contact for other local groups, housing, transportation, etc.
> > >>>>This in mind, we will dedicate a large portion of the website will focus
> > >>>>on the efforts of local groups converging against the DNC.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>introductory_statement:
> > >>>>Originally intended placing a focus on the DNC within our existing
> > >>>>website, the Boston IMC tech team considered it would be both better
> > >>>>managed and better archived to create a separate website that could be
> > >>>>used in the future for other local IMCs to plan protests against in
> > >>>> future
> > >>>>conventions, wherever they should take place.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>_______________________________________________
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