[New-imc] Sketch of the proposal to IMC Valparaiso

[libby]

Hello All,

Rosa, great proposal.
I agree with Ana's addition.
Basically i also agree the proposal should be discussed by the proposed 
imc at hand, and it should had come from them but they seemded rather 
"unwilling to comply" or accept what the network had agreed upon as one 
of the elements in the newimc process. So i think in this one case Rosa 
did a good thing, its a constructive proposal and sometimes (especially 
in this case) sponsors are sort of "forced" to play the role of a 
"mediator" rather than a facilitator and for this once i think its great 
that Rosa plays the role of a diplomat.

I think there should be room for discusssing the exact precise 
formulation and other details, but if imc Valparaiso should block Rosa's 
proposal we could see it as a refusal to accept one of the conditions to 
become an imc.
Rosa, got anything up your sleave in case they block? Or does this block 
imply they refuse to become an imc?

Greetings,

Libby

ana wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>i agree with clara that this is a major improvement. I still have a few 
>concerns. Please see response below.
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>clara wrote:
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>>(...)Dear Rosa,
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>>thank you very much for this proposal. I think it is an excellent 
>>approach to the problem.
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>>Rosa de la Boca wrote:
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>>>[...]
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>>>- IMC Valparaiso will actively seek more outreach in the group, by, for 
>>>instance, contacting minorities movements in Valparaiso and inviting 
>>>them to take part in the IMC.
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>ana says:
>it would be helpful if they had a relation of what movements, groups, 
>they are going to contact. I'm not asking for an extensive list to be 
>sent here, but an assertion that they are already working on that. imc 
>valparaiso should feel free to use wiki for that.
>
>But please see comment below, which i think it is more serious...
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>>>- IMC Valparaiso will recognize that work division is an issue 
>>>and constantly seek to improve it (see Mike’s comments - 
>>>http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2004-May/005156.html )
>>>
>>>- IMC Valparaiso will discuss periodically these issues in its meetings, 
>>>e.g. in a monthly basis
>>>
>>>- IMC Valparaiso will send within three months a report of what has been 
>>>done in this area. If three months after the approval of the proposal 
>>>IMC Valparaiso doesn’t comply with these requirements, its affiliation 
>>>to the network may be cancelled by the imc-process group. We will ask 
>>>the help of other IMCs in Chile to assist them and to verify if these 
>>>recommendations are being followed.
>>>- This proposal may be blocked or amended by IMC Valparaiso itself, if 
>>>they don’t agree with it. If no one blocks the proposal, IMC Valparaiso 
>>>will be considered approved in imc-process.
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>ana says:
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>May be blocked by imc valparaiso?? this proposal should have come from 
>imc valparaiso themselves, in my opinion. At least, it should have been 
>discussed on their list first, before sending it here. It is an 
>important process issue; proposals of this seriousness should not come 
>from individuals without previous consultation *and* agreement with the 
>group. (or am i missing something?)
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>>>- Deadline: one week from its presentation
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>I think the point of consensus among imc valparaiso should be put 
>forward before aiming for any deadline.
>
>I may sound harsh but i don't mean it; i am into the process, not the 
>people or persons involved on it. I do understand that helping a new imc 
>has its pressures and it means work; i have been there myself and i have 
>made my mistakes too.
>
>Rosa I really appreciate that you are going to translate this, thanks 
>for being the 'liaison' for this.
>
>best
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