[New-imc] Re: [Imc-valparaiso] Nuevas cuestiones para/ new questions to CMIValparaiso

[Shayne O'Neill]

Im quite happy to see this collective [block]ed. Theres a thing us aussies
call the "I'm ok jack" attitude. Its not constructive. Often its those
collectives that dont see themselves as flawed that have the bigest flaws
of all.

Perhaps valparaiso imc people should send (a woman) into chat with the
ladies on imc-womens

I do infact apreciate the honesty of this reply. I do not think it bodes
well for representation with in the collective however.

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On Tue, 4 May 2004, clara wrote:

> Hoi
>
> I have serious concerns with this replies, and i hereby forward this also
> to imc-women
>
> The imc-women group came up with these questions because we saw problems in
> several IMCs around these issues. Too many IMCs are done by groups that
> only represent a certain part of society and as a result a lot of other
> groups and individuals don't use Indymedia. And on numerous occassions we
> see a gendered work division, sometimes developing without people knowing
> why. If IMC-Valparadiso is free from that, we would all be glad to learn
> more about it.
>
> However, these questions were put forward and are accepted by the global
> Indymedia network as important issues to be discussed and to be solved.
> This answers from Valparadiso however discard them as not relevant to the
> collective. In fact such answers show me how important it is that we get
> into these discussions.
>
> I have serious concerns with the answers to question A and C.
>
> love and solidarity
> clara
>
>
>
> At 21:12 30/04/2004, meghan at ucimc.org wrote:
> >does anyone else have serious concerns about these responses?
> >
> >-meghan
> >
> >On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, rosadelaboca wrote:
> >
> > > Here is a translation of the IMC-Valparaiso replies to the
> > > IMC-Women questions:
> > >
> > > A. How does the makeup of your collective reflect the
> > > diversity of the local community (e.g. in relation to gend
> > > er-, sexual-, spiritual-, and/or cultural-identity)?
> > >
> > > Answer:
> > > Our collective doesn't reflect, neither intends to reflect,
> > > any kind of diversity. We intend to deliver Indymedia (our
> > > task) as a media to anyone who wants to count on it. We
> > > don´t aim to have among ourselves a black (Afroamerican),
> > > white, Chilean, Mapuche, fisherman or miner in order to
> > > include a problem in a larger scale, this is not a structural
> > > part of the collective.
> > >
> > > B. If your group currently does not represent the diversit
> > > y of the local community, particularly in relation to groups
> > > who are underrepresented in mainstream society and denied
> > > access to vehicles of expression, what steps will be taken
> > >  to address this on an ongoing basis?
> > >
> > > Answer: An organized system of open assemblies will be
> > > implemented in order to make Indymedia well-known, besides
> > > talks in universities, unions, collectives, social
> > > organizations, cultural centers, etc.
> > >
> > > C. What steps will be taken to involve individuals in
> > > workfields new to them? What measures will be taken to
> > > overcome a gendered work division?
> > >
> > > Answer:
> > > First: new members will learn the supposedly qualified
> > > work in Indymedia by experience
> > >
> > > Second: no measures will be taken to overcome gendered work
> > > division since it doesn't exist and won't exist among
> > > ourselves.
> > >
> > > (End of the translation)
> > >
> > > Rosa
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hola compañeros de Valparaíso:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ya que se ha desatado una controversia respeto a la
> > > > > aplicación de las nuevas reglas en new-imc
> > > > > específicamente en el marco de vuestra solicitud, les pido
> > > > > que contesten a las preguntas introducidas después de la
> > > > > última alteración del proceso en new-imc, que son las
> > > > > siguientes:
> > > > >
> > > > > A. ¿Cómo el maquillaje de su colectivo refleja la diversid
> > > ad
> > > > > de la comunidad local (e.g. en el relación al género -,
> > > > > sexual -, espiritual -, y/o cultural-identidad)?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nuestro colectivo no refleja ni pretende reflejar ningun tip
> > > o de diversidad.
> > > > Pretendemos entregar indymedia (nuestro trabajo) como medio
> > > a todo aquel que quiera disponerla. No esperamos como fin tene
> > > r entre nosotros a un negro (afro americano), blanco, chilote,
> > >  mapuche, pescador o minero para abarcar a mayor escala un pro
> > > blema, no es parte estructural del colectivo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > B. ¿Si su grupo no representa actualmente la diversidad de l
> > > a
> > > > > comunidad local, particularmente en lo referente a los gru
> > > pos
> > > > > que son subrepresentadas en la sociedad de corriente y el
> > > > > acceso negado a los vehículos de la expresión, qué pasos s
> > > erá
> > > > > tomado para tratar esto sobre una base en curso?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Se implementarà un sistema organizado de asambleas abiertas
> > > para que se de a conocer indymedia, ademàs de charlas en unive
> > > rsidades, sindicatos, colectivos, organizaciones sociales, cen
> > > tros culturales, etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > C. ¿Qué medidas serán tomadas para implicar a individuos e
> > > n
> > > > > los grupos de trabajo nuevos a ellos? ¿Qué medidas serán t
> > > omad
> > > > > as para
> > > > > superar la división del trabajo por género?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Primero. Los nuevos integrantes aprenderan por el medio de l
> > > a experiencia a realizar el supuesto trabajo cualificado de in
> > > dymedia.
> > > >
> > > > Segundo. No se tomaràn medidas para superar la divisiòn de t
> > > rabajo por gènero ya que esta no existe y no prodrà existir en
> > > tre nosotros.
> > > >
> > > > > (la traducción al español parece haber sido hecha
> > > > > por la computadora, yo hize unas pequeñas correcciones)
> > > > >
> > > > > Tan pronto contesten a la preguntas, podremos seguir con l
> > > a
> > > > > etapa final de evaluación de vuestra solicitud. Pido
> > > > > disculpas por la confusión.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ahora, me gustaría de contestar específicamente al
> > > > > mensaje de Gaba, quien ha dicho que mi posición
> > > > > era "burocrática". La propuesta de imc-
> > > women es absolutamente
> > > > > clara cuando dice que las preguntas a cima serán "incorpor
> > > adas
> > > > >  en el formulario de inscripción". Ella no menciona ni los
> > > > > criterios de afiliación ni cualquiera otra etapa del proce
> > > so.
> > > > >
> > > > > Así, a menos que la gente de CMI-
> > > Valparaiso tenga el don de
> > > > > la clarividencia, jamás podría haber contestado a las
> > > > > preguntas en el formulario de solicitud, ya que lo llenaro
> > > n
> > > > > muchos meses ANTES de la aprobación de las nuevas pregunta
> > > s.
> > > > > Está evidente para mi que las nuevas reglas son
> > > > > aplicables a los formularios de solicitud
> > > > > llenados DESPUÉS de la introducción de los cambios. Si la
> > > > > intención fuera de incluir a las solicitudes anteriores, e
> > > nton
> > > > > ces eso debería haber sido mejor explicitado.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > De cualquier modo, vamos a esperar por la respuesta de
> > > > > Valparaiso
> > > > >
> > > > > Rosa
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi IMC-Valparaiso:
> > > > >
> > > > > Since we have a controversy on the applicability, in the
> > > > > specific case of your
> > > > > application, of the changes in the new-imc process,
> > > > > I ask you to answer these recently
> > > > > introduced questions:
> > > > >
> > > > > A. How does the makeup of your collective reflect the
> > > > > diversity of the local community (e.g. in relation to gend
> > > er-
> > > > > , sexual-, spiritual-, and/or cultural-identity)?
> > > > >
> > > > > B. If your group currently does not represent the diversit
> > > y
> > > > > of the local community, particularly in relation to groups
> > > > > who are underrepresented in mainstream society and denied
> > > > > access to vehicles of expression, what steps will be taken
> > >  to
> > > > > address this on an ongoing basis?
> > > > >
> > > > > C. What steps will be taken to involve individuals in
> > > > > workfields new to them? What measures will be taken to
> > > > > overcome a gendered work division?
> > > > >
> > > > > As soon as you answer these questions, we can go on with t
> > > he
> > > > > final phase of your application. I`m sorry for this confus
> > > ion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I would like to reply to Gaba`s email where she label
> > > s
> > > > > my position as "bureaucratic". The women`s proposal is
> > > > > absolutely clear when it says that the questions above wil
> > > l "
> > > > > be incorporated in the application form". It doesn't menti
> > > on
> > > > > neither the membership criteria neither any other stage of
> > > > > the process.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, unless that the Valparaiso folks had the ability of
> > > > > precognition, they wouldn`t be able to answer these questi
> > > ons
> > > > > since they filled their application form months BEFORE the
> > > y
> > > > > were introduced. Imho, it`s clear that the new rules
> > > > > refer only to application forms filled AFTER the approval
> > > > > of the changes. If the idea was to include applications
> > > > > underway, then it should have been made clear in the text.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, let's wait for the reply from Valparaiso.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rosa
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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