[imc-women] Re: [New-imc] Re: [Imc-valparaiso] Nuevas cuestiones para/ new questions to CMIValparaiso

Tue May 4 07:08:48 PDT 2004

While I do actually think it's pretty cool that they don't seem to want to
have "token" minorities, I also have concerns with the answers to
questions A and C.

--faith

On Tue, 4 May 2004, clara wrote:

> Hoi
>
> I have serious concerns with this replies, and i hereby forward this also
> to imc-women
>
> The imc-women group came up with these questions because we saw problems in
> several IMCs around these issues. Too many IMCs are done by groups that
> only represent a certain part of society and as a result a lot of other
> groups and individuals don't use Indymedia. And on numerous occassions we
> see a gendered work division, sometimes developing without people knowing
> why. If IMC-Valparadiso is free from that, we would all be glad to learn
> more about it.
>
> However, these questions were put forward and are accepted by the global
> Indymedia network as important issues to be discussed and to be solved.
> This answers from Valparadiso however discard them as not relevant to the
> collective. In fact such answers show me how important it is that we get
> into these discussions.
>
> I have serious concerns with the answers to question A and C.
>
> love and solidarity
> clara
>
>
>
> At 21:12 30/04/2004, meghan at ucimc.org wrote:
> >does anyone else have serious concerns about these responses?
> >
> >-meghan
> >
> >On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, rosadelaboca wrote:
> >
> > > Here is a translation of the IMC-Valparaiso replies to the
> > > IMC-Women questions:
> > >
> > > A. How does the makeup of your collective reflect the
> > > diversity of the local community (e.g. in relation to gend
> > > er-, sexual-, spiritual-, and/or cultural-identity)?
> > >
> > > Answer:
> > > Our collective doesn't reflect, neither intends to reflect,
> > > any kind of diversity. We intend to deliver Indymedia (our
> > > task) as a media to anyone who wants to count on it. We
> > > don´t aim to have among ourselves a black (Afroamerican),
> > > white, Chilean, Mapuche, fisherman or miner in order to
> > > include a problem in a larger scale, this is not a structural
> > > part of the collective.
> > >
> > > B. If your group currently does not represent the diversit
> > > y of the local community, particularly in relation to groups
> > > who are underrepresented in mainstream society and denied
> > > access to vehicles of expression, what steps will be taken
> > >  to address this on an ongoing basis?
> > >
> > > Answer: An organized system of open assemblies will be
> > > implemented in order to make Indymedia well-known, besides
> > > talks in universities, unions, collectives, social
> > > organizations, cultural centers, etc.
> > >
> > > C. What steps will be taken to involve individuals in
> > > workfields new to them? What measures will be taken to
> > > overcome a gendered work division?
> > >
> > > Answer:
> > > First: new members will learn the supposedly qualified
> > > work in Indymedia by experience
> > >
> > > Second: no measures will be taken to overcome gendered work
> > > division since it doesn't exist and won't exist among
> > > ourselves.
> > >
> > > (End of the translation)
> > >
> > > Rosa
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hola compañeros de Valparaíso:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ya que se ha desatado una controversia respeto a la
> > > > > aplicación de las nuevas reglas en new-imc
> > > > > específicamente en el marco de vuestra solicitud, les pido
> > > > > que contesten a las preguntas introducidas después de la
> > > > > última alteración del proceso en new-imc, que son las
> > > > > siguientes:
> > > > >
> > > > > A. ¿Cómo el maquillaje de su colectivo refleja la diversid
> > > ad
> > > > > de la comunidad local (e.g. en el relación al género -,
> > > > > sexual -, espiritual -, y/o cultural-identidad)?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nuestro colectivo no refleja ni pretende reflejar ningun tip
> > > o de diversidad.
> > > > Pretendemos entregar indymedia (nuestro trabajo) como medio
> > > a todo aquel que quiera disponerla. No esperamos como fin tene
> > > r entre nosotros a un negro (afro americano), blanco, chilote,
> > >  mapuche, pescador o minero para abarcar a mayor escala un pro
> > > blema, no es parte estructural del colectivo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > B. ¿Si su grupo no representa actualmente la diversidad de l
> > > a
> > > > > comunidad local, particularmente en lo referente a los gru
> > > pos
> > > > > que son subrepresentadas en la sociedad de corriente y el
> > > > > acceso negado a los vehículos de la expresión, qué pasos s
> > > erá
> > > > > tomado para tratar esto sobre una base en curso?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Se implementarà un sistema organizado de asambleas abiertas
> > > para que se de a conocer indymedia, ademàs de charlas en unive
> > > rsidades, sindicatos, colectivos, organizaciones sociales, cen
> > > tros culturales, etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > C. ¿Qué medidas serán tomadas para implicar a individuos e
> > > n
> > > > > los grupos de trabajo nuevos a ellos? ¿Qué medidas serán t
> > > omad
> > > > > as para
> > > > > superar la división del trabajo por género?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Primero. Los nuevos integrantes aprenderan por el medio de l
> > > a experiencia a realizar el supuesto trabajo cualificado de in
> > > dymedia.
> > > >
> > > > Segundo. No se tomaràn medidas para superar la divisiòn de t
> > > rabajo por gènero ya que esta no existe y no prodrà existir en
> > > tre nosotros.
> > > >
> > > > > (la traducción al español parece haber sido hecha
> > > > > por la computadora, yo hize unas pequeñas correcciones)
> > > > >
> > > > > Tan pronto contesten a la preguntas, podremos seguir con l
> > > a
> > > > > etapa final de evaluación de vuestra solicitud. Pido
> > > > > disculpas por la confusión.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ahora, me gustaría de contestar específicamente al
> > > > > mensaje de Gaba, quien ha dicho que mi posición
> > > > > era "burocrática". La propuesta de imc-
> > > women es absolutamente
> > > > > clara cuando dice que las preguntas a cima serán "incorpor
> > > adas
> > > > >  en el formulario de inscripción". Ella no menciona ni los
> > > > > criterios de afiliación ni cualquiera otra etapa del proce
> > > so.
> > > > >
> > > > > Así, a menos que la gente de CMI-
> > > Valparaiso tenga el don de
> > > > > la clarividencia, jamás podría haber contestado a las
> > > > > preguntas en el formulario de solicitud, ya que lo llenaro
> > > n
> > > > > muchos meses ANTES de la aprobación de las nuevas pregunta
> > > s.
> > > > > Está evidente para mi que las nuevas reglas son
> > > > > aplicables a los formularios de solicitud
> > > > > llenados DESPUÉS de la introducción de los cambios. Si la
> > > > > intención fuera de incluir a las solicitudes anteriores, e
> > > nton
> > > > > ces eso debería haber sido mejor explicitado.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > De cualquier modo, vamos a esperar por la respuesta de
> > > > > Valparaiso
> > > > >
> > > > > Rosa
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi IMC-Valparaiso:
> > > > >
> > > > > Since we have a controversy on the applicability, in the
> > > > > specific case of your
> > > > > application, of the changes in the new-imc process,
> > > > > I ask you to answer these recently
> > > > > introduced questions:
> > > > >
> > > > > A. How does the makeup of your collective reflect the
> > > > > diversity of the local community (e.g. in relation to gend
> > > er-
> > > > > , sexual-, spiritual-, and/or cultural-identity)?
> > > > >
> > > > > B. If your group currently does not represent the diversit
> > > y
> > > > > of the local community, particularly in relation to groups
> > > > > who are underrepresented in mainstream society and denied
> > > > > access to vehicles of expression, what steps will be taken
> > >  to
> > > > > address this on an ongoing basis?
> > > > >
> > > > > C. What steps will be taken to involve individuals in
> > > > > workfields new to them? What measures will be taken to
> > > > > overcome a gendered work division?
> > > > >
> > > > > As soon as you answer these questions, we can go on with t
> > > he
> > > > > final phase of your application. I`m sorry for this confus
> > > ion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I would like to reply to Gaba`s email where she label
> > > s
> > > > > my position as "bureaucratic". The women`s proposal is
> > > > > absolutely clear when it says that the questions above wil
> > > l "
> > > > > be incorporated in the application form". It doesn't menti
> > > on
> > > > > neither the membership criteria neither any other stage of
> > > > > the process.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, unless that the Valparaiso folks had the ability of
> > > > > precognition, they wouldn`t be able to answer these questi
> > > ons
> > > > > since they filled their application form months BEFORE the
> > > y
> > > > > were introduced. Imho, it`s clear that the new rules
> > > > > refer only to application forms filled AFTER the approval
> > > > > of the changes. If the idea was to include applications
> > > > > underway, then it should have been made clear in the text.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, let's wait for the reply from Valparaiso.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rosa
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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