[Seattle-editorial] Proposal to hide

[Jason Reep]

I say begin hiding now.  I don't feel particularly strongly that we have 
to make a big pronouncement on the newswire with a long explanation like 
we did with JC.  Maybe a short post to the effect that we are aware of 
intentional abuse and are taking action.  We could even forego that and 
let the public archives of the list be our transparency if we want.  
Either way.

-Jason

Jeremy Kahn wrote:

> Jason Reep wrote:
>
>> I agree with the proposal but would amend it to specify the posted 
>> names of the posters and make it clear at the same time that we are 
>> on the lookout for those posters under new names as well.  In other 
>> words, as Jonathan noted below about the bobby/JC situations, posts 
>> by these specific people become their own class rather than posts 
>> like the ones by these posters.
>
>
> okay, let's do it. I think enough of us have expressed the concern here.
>
> Do we also post a note to the effect of "this is what we're doing, and 
> here's why" ?
>
> or do we just start hiding J the S posts?
>
> --jeremy
>
>>
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>>
>> jl at u.washington.edu wrote:
>>
>>> both bobby israel and J.C. actions were based on the "usability" and 
>>> "safe space" principles, AND were special actions... just like this 
>>> one. Also, bith of those were "class of posts" rather than by 
>>> name--while bobby rarely posted under other names, J.C. did 
>>> often-including intentionally confusing ones.
>>>
>>> BTW, I disagree with Jeremy that that mp3 he hid is an 
>>> advertisement. there's no sales pitch, no link to a non-IMC website, 
>>> just a band logo and a political song posted to the Argentina newswire.
>>>
>>> ok gotta do some work here
>>> jl
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Jason Reep wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>> ok, so the proposal is to establish a class of posts that we are 
>>>> going to henceforth and forthwith ban. and this class falls under 
>>>> the safe-space definition of the ed.policy? or is it more accurate 
>>>> to say that this proposal is a special circumstance more akin to 
>>>> the JC/Bobby decisions?  if it's the latter, then the precedent 
>>>> establshed before is to post the proposal (or at least a detailed 
>>>> explanation) to the community on the newswire. I'm not quite 
>>>> settled with the question that Jeremy raised:
>>>> "in past discussions we've found it difficult to word a policy that 
>>>> seems to be general enough to handle the cases we hate (like these 
>>>> schmucks) but still leaves room to allow "insurrectionary 
>>>> response", to use the term of art. "
>>>> and the clarification offered by Jonathan:
>>>> "...rather, we're deciding to hide a classification of posts."
>>>>
>>>> It has in fact been easier to hide based on moniker rather than 
>>>> class of post.  I can't recall any cases where  we've acted on 
>>>> proposals to hide classes, even during times of newswire attack.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not opposing but this is still not clear.
>>>>
>>>> -Jason
>>>>
>>>> Jeremy Kahn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>> Jonathan Lawson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>> Clarification: the proposal is not to "ban" a particular user--we 
>>>>>> have no
>>>>>> mechanism for doing that--rather, we're deciding to hide a 
>>>>>> classification
>>>>>> of posts. In the unlikely event that "Jake the snake" posted  
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> that didn't fit into the class defined below, it wouldn't be 
>>>>>> automatically
>>>>>> hideable according to this decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>> Correction accepted. I support the idea of banning this class of 
>>>>> posts. (banning by handle, even if we had the mechanism, would 
>>>>> just clue "Jake" in even earlier and encourage him to change 
>>>>> handles anyway.)  I still think my comments about ego are relevant 
>>>>> here -- if he changes handles and/or style sufficiently, then he's 
>>>>> not going to be The Troll he wants to be.
>>>>>
>>>>> --jeremy
>>>>>
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