[Seattle-editorial] Re: Seattle-editorial Digest, Vol 7, Issue 10

[Gentry Lange]

Who are you?


Many people have subverted IMC official policy, why here's an email I got
from Jonathan just recently:

-----Original Message-----
From: jonathan lawson [mailto:jonathan at indymedia.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:59 PM
To: g at art13.com
Subject: RE: FEATURE PROPOSAL: Race to the Bottom


Hi Gentry.
Since it's kinda late and this event is day after tomorrow (and since we
don't have any FTAA stuff at all in the features column), I'm going to
skirt process a bit and go ahead and post this one, assuming that another
approval or two will be forthcoming when people read their mail. ok?

thx
JL

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To be fair, I gave my approval of this in a private email back to Jonathan.
This is a problem at the IMC. The policies are jokes. But as soon as you try
to change policies you get angry emails from strangers you've never met. So
rather than fix the problem, and create structure, people routinely
circumvent policy.

For the record, accusing someone of subverting IMC policies was brought up
here first in the RTM story:

"Now, the hour of reckoning may have arrived. The small group of volunteers
currently making decisions for the IMC is responding to the crisis in a
manner which has created more questions than answers among the local
community which uses the space and website on a regular basis. In the
process of sorting out details of the organization’s finances, members of
the group appear to have largely isolated themselves from public
accountability, crafting their own plans over the phone and in private email
exchanges rather than on public email lists, as has been the usual IMC
practice. A somewhat paranoid atmosphere prevails; the current leadership
clique has rolled back free public computer access, changed the locks on the
IMC’s doors not once but twice, and discussed redrafting the group’s bylaws
to restrict the definition of membership."

Heather, I must say that disclosing my opinions, and versions of a
discussion about the IMC to a public list with members interested in the IMC
is a whole lot different than going on the front page of a media site, and
then posting it to newswires. One is the equivalent of talking among
individuals, for purposes of accountability, while the other constitutes
shouting it out loud to everyone in cyberspace. According to Jonathan the
current active volunteers at at the IMC are paranoid, isolated, and hiding
from public accountability. If you need to, please reread that statement in
Jonathan Lawson's article and tell me... who attacked whom here?

As for you Heather, again, I ask who are you? I've been on this list for at
least a year+ and you've never said a word. Only now you come in here, and
jump into the discussion. So please. Tell us, who are you.

In my opinion, with all the problems facing the IMC right now, the last
thing we need, is Mr. Jonathan Lawson, a person who I have no trust for,
coming back to the IMC Editorial Lists.

Jonathan resigned, wrote an attack against the active volunteers at the IMC
space... And now wants to have decision making power on the IMC list again?
That's ridiculous. I have gone on record as actively opposing that decision
and others have seconded that opposition to bestowing "Active Editor"
priveledges upon Jonathan Lawson.

Gentry



-----Original Message-----
From: seattle-editorial-bounces at lists.indymedia.org
[mailto:seattle-editorial-bounces at lists.indymedia.org]On Behalf Of
Heather Gorgura
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:07 PM
To: seattle-editorial at lists.indymedia.org
Subject: [Seattle-editorial] Re: Seattle-editorial Digest, Vol 7, Issue
10


Gentry, your implication that you are taking a higher moral ground by
"taking the time to get [your] story straight" is a bit ironic since you've
already put allegations out in public (via this listserve) that Jonathan is
subverting IMC policies and falsely representing the current situation at
the IMC, but are simply refusing to substantiate them. If you really wanted
to act in the spirit that you portray yourself, you would withold accusation
as well as substantiation until you have your story straight.

With all the difficulties facing the Seattle IMC right now, is everyone's
time really best spent trying to exclude Jonathan--who has put countless
hours into the building and sustaining of the IMC? It seems to me that there
are more productive avenues for the energy and talent of those who wish to
do good work for the IMC and the local and global activist communities.

Heather Gorgura

Gentry Lange wrote:

> Don't worry Jonathan, I will support my claims directly. However, I unlike
> others, prefer to take the time to get my story straight before publicly
> publishing stories about what is going on, and what has gone on at the
> Seattle IMC.
>
> Gentry

regarding his earlier post:

While I clearly dislike you personally, my objection to your jumping back in
at this time, has to do with your previous subversion of IMC policies, and
your apparent intention to do so again, and my personal lack of trust in
your motives.

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