[Seattle-editorial] Fwd: IV> Protest stats

[Sheri Herndon]

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>From: "Rick Ingrasci M.D." <rick at bigmindmedia.com>
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>Subject: IV> Protest stats
>Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:15:46 -0800
>Reply-To: "Rick Ingrasci M.D." <rick at bigmindmedia.com>
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>Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:38:06 -0800 (PST)
>From: Marieke Van Coppenolle <<mailto:marieke4u at yahoo.com>marieke4u at yahoo.com>
>Subject: European protests underestimated in the US?
>To: Tom Atlee <<mailto:cii at igc.org>cii at igc.org>
>
>Hi Tom,
>
>I just called a friend in Oregon. I came home from the demonstration
>in Brussels, and asked him whether he had seen the news over there in
>the US. "Millions of people have been demonstrating in Europe," I
>told him enthousiastically. He said, "on the news they only mentioned
>500,000 people protesting in Europe - the Bush administration
>controls the news here." I said, "we should send out the right
>numbers to American e-mail lists, then, so that the American
>people know that WE DON'T WANT WAR..." He said that would be a good
>idea.
>
>I immediately thought about you. Because I know you would be
>interested anyway, as this is so strikingly about (the lack
>of) democracy...
>
>So here are some more accurate numbers of European protests, as far
>as I know by now. I took them from one of our most reliable
>newspapers, "De Standaard"
>(<<http://www.standaard.be/>www.standaard.be>http://www.standaard.be/>www.standaard.be, 
>only in Dutch
>unfortunately).
>
>Brussels: officially: 42,000 (radio news: 50,000) - organizers: 80,000
>London: officially: 500,000 - organizers: over 1 million
>Glasgow, Belfast: thousands
>Berlin: over 500,000
>Frankfurt: 50,000
>Paris: 100,000 (there were also American pacifists)
>Also in other French cities, although it seemed there were not so
>many people as in the other big European countries.
>Athens: 200,000
>Oslo: 60,000
>Kopenhagen: 50,000
>Amsterdam: 40,000
>Stockholm: 30,000
>Bern: 30,000
>Helsinki: 12,000
>
>From our national radio news, 02/15 at 6 p.m.: Rome: 2,000,000 people
>(!!) (the organizers had expected 500,000)
>
>Please, Tom, help tell the American people that their "official" news
>is badly underestimating European protests! Find information at
>independent news agencies and channels! This is really important - if
>we take what they want us to believe, we are only coworkers in
>bringing down our right for free speech and hence democracy...
>
>Marieke from Belgium
>
>To anyone who gets this message, please network it if you can!
>
>Marieke Van Coppenolle, IJzermaalberg 61, B-2550 Kontich, BELGIUM
>Tel. +32-3-457.01.92
>e-mail: 
><<mailto:marieke at motherearth.org>marieke at motherearth.org>mailto:marieke at motherearth.org>marieke at motherearth.org,
><<mailto:marieke4u at yahoo.com>marieke4u at yahoo.com>mailto:marieke4u at yahoo.com>marieke4u at yahoo.com
>check websites: 
><<http://www.motherearth.org/>www.motherearth.org>http://www.motherearth.org/>www.motherearth.org,
><<http://www.nanish.org/>www.nanish.org>http://www.nanish.org/>www.nanish.org
>
>_ _ _ _
>Thousands Worldwide Protest War in Iraq
>
>By ROBERT BARR, Associated Press Writer
>
>LONDON - Millions of protesters - many of them marching in the
>capitals of America's traditional allies - demonstrated Saturday
>against U.S. plans to attack Iraq.
>
>In a global outpouring of anti-war sentiment, Rome claimed the
>biggest turnout - 1 million according to police, while organizers
>claimed three times that figure.
>
>In London, at least 750,000 people joined in the city's biggest
>demonstration ever, police said. Berlin had up to half a million on
>the streets, and Paris was estimated to have had up to 100,000.
>
>Peace activists hoped to draw 100,000 demonstrators in New York City
>later for a protest near the United Nations
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>ed%20Nations>web sites).
>
>"Peace! Peace! Peace!" said Archbishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa,
>who led an ecumenical service near U.N. headquarters. "Let America
>listen to the rest of the world - and the rest of the world is
>saying, `Give the inspectors time.'"
>
>London's marchers hoped - in the words of keynote speaker Rev. Jesse
>Jackson
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>ckson>web sites) - to "turn up the heat" on Prime Minister Tony Blair
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>sites), who has been President Bush
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>W.+Bush>web sites)'s staunchest European ally for his tough Iraq
>policy.
>
>Rome protesters showed their disagreement with Prime Minister Silvio
>Berlusconi's support for Bush, while demonstrators in Paris and
>Berlin backed the skeptical stances of their governments.
>
>"What I would say to Mr. Blair is stop toadying up to the Americans
>and listen to your own people, us, for once," said Elsie Hinks, 77,
>who marched in London with her husband, Sidney, a retired Church of
>England priest.
>
>"You don't fight terrorism with a preventive war," said Tommaso
>Palladini, 56, who traveled from Milan to Rome. "You fight terrorism
>by creating more justice in the world."
>
>Several dozen marchers from Genoa held up pictures of Iraqi artists.
>"We're carrying these photos to show the other face of the Iraqi
>people that the TV doesn't show," said Giovanna Marenzana, 38.
>
>Some leaders of German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's government took
>part in the Berlin protest, which turned the tree-lined boulevard
>between the Brandenburg Gate and the 19th-century Victory Column into
>a sea of banners, balloons emblazoned with "No war in Iraq" and
>demonstrators swaying to live music. Police estimated the crowd at
>between 300,000 and 500,000.
>
>"We Germans in particular have a duty to do everything to ensure that
>war - above all a war of aggression - never again becomes a
>legitimate means of policy," shouted Friedrich Schorlemmer, a
>Lutheran pastor and former East German pro-democracy activist.
>
>In the Paris crowd at the Place Denfert-Rochereau, a large American
>flag bore the black inscription: "Leave us alone."
>
>Gerald Lenoir, 41, of Berkley, Calif., came to Paris specifically to
>support the French demonstrators. "I am here to protest my
>government's aggression against Iraq," he said. "Iraq does not pose a
>security threat to the United States and there are no links with
>al-Qaida."
>
>In southern France, about 10,000 people demonstrated in Toulouse
>against the United States, chanting: "They bomb, they exploit, they
>pollute, enough of this barbarity."
>
>Police estimated that 60,000 turned out in Oslo, Norway, 50,000 in
>bitter cold in Brussels, while about 35,000 gathered peacefully in
>frigid Stockholm.
>
>About 80,000 marched in Dublin, Irish police said. Crowds were
>estimated at 60,000 in Seville, Spain; 40,000 in Bern, Switzerland;
>30,000 in Glasgow, Scotland; 25,000 in Copenhagen; 15,000 in Vienna;
>10,000 in Amsterdam; 5,000 in Cape Town and 4,000 in Johannesburg in
>South Africa; 5,000 in Tokyo; and 2,000 in Dhaka, Bangladesh.
>
>"War is not a solution, war is a problem," Czech philosopher Erazim
>Kohak told a crowd of about 500 in Prague.
>
>In Baghdad, tens of thousands of Iraqis, many carrying Kalashnikov
>assault rifles, demonstrated to support Saddam Hussein
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>am%20Hussein>web sites) and denounce the United States.
>
>"Our swords are out of their sheaths, ready for battle," read one of
>hundreds of banners carried by marchers along Palestine Street, a
>broad Baghdad avenue.
>
>In Damascus, the capital of neighboring Syria, an estimated 200,000
>protesters chanted anti-U.S. and anti-Israeli slogans as they marched
>to the People's Assembly.
>
>Najjah Attar, a former Syrian cabinet minister, accused Washington of
>attempting to change the region's map. "The U.S. wants to encroach
>upon our own norms, concepts and principles," she said in Damascus.
>"They are reminding us of the Nazi and fascist times."
>
>In Ukraine, some 2,000 people rallied in snowy Kiev's central square.
>Anti-globalists led a peaceful "Rock Against War" protest joined by
>communists, socialists, Kurds and pacifists.
>
>In the Bosnian city of Mostar, about 100 Muslims and Croats united
>for an anti-war protest - the first such cross-community action in
>seven years in a place where ethnic divisions remain tense, despite
>the 1995 Bosnian peace agreement.
>
>"We want to say that war is evil and that we who survived one know
>that better than anyone," said Majda Hadzic, 54.
>
>In divided Cyprus, about 500 Greeks and Turks braved heavy rain for a
>march that briefly blocked a runway at a British air base.
>
>Several thousand protesters in Athens, Greece, unfurled a giant
>banner across the wall of the Acropolis - "NATO
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>  >web sites), U.S. and EU equals War" - before heading toward the U.S.
>Embassy.
>
>U.S. Ambassador Thomas Miller said the Greek protesters' indignation
>was misplaced. "They should be demonstrating outside the Iraqi
>embassy," he said before the march.
>
>Police fired tear gas in clashes with several hundred anarchists
>wearing hoods and crash helmets, who smashed store windows and threw
>a gasoline bomb at a newspaper office. Thirteen youths were arrested,
>while five policemen and two protesters were injured.
>
>In Moscow, 300 people marched to the U.S. Embassy, with one placard
>urging Russian President Vladimir Putin
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>imir%20Putin>web sites) to "be firmer with America."
>
>Between 3,000 and 5,000 people marched through a suburb of Canberra,
>the Australian capital, to protest government support for U.S.
>policy. Australia has already committed 2,000 troops to the Persian
>Gulf for possible action.
>
>_ _ _ _
>
>For two more reports on the demonstrations, see
><http://truthout.org/docs_02/021603A.htm>http://truthout.org/docs_02/021603A.htm
>
>
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