[Seattle-editorial] HOW TO MAKE THE SEATTLE WEBSITE WORK! (was: Re: distributed?

Fri Feb 20 13:42:44 PST 2004

I think a lot of folks share Kirsten's frustration.  I certainly do.   
The Seattle IMC is closed in more than one sense of the word.  Unlike  
the Portland IndyMedia, the Seattle IndyMedia seems to have no  
connection to the community -- or to people who want to volunteer.    
The Newswire is a mess -- there is no organization or no search  
capability -- and the editorial/feature area is rarely updated.  IMC  
meetings -- such as the one that decided to have a "hiatus" -- are  
buried in the newswire between rants by LaRouche followers.

While I am sympathetic to the "old timers" who have become burnt out, I  
feel that they need to step aside and let other people do some work.    
As Kirsten and many others have suggested, we should dump the site  
design and use Portland's code.  Further, I think that we need to  
invite members of the Portland IndyMedia to provide their "best  
practices" for creating a vibrant online community that supports local  
activists.

IMHO, the loss of the IMC facility could be the best thing that ever  
happened to Seattle IndyMedia.  Losing the physical location gives  
Seattle IndyMedia an opportunity to expand its horizons beyond Third  
Avenue . . . . and those members of IndyMedia who need a hiatus to  
"reflect, pay off debts, heal interpersonal divisions, and re-connect  
with the greater community".

-- Laury Kenton      

On Feb 20, 2004, at 11:19 AM, sheri at speakeasy.org wrote:

> forgot my new subject line :)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sheri at speakeasy.org [mailto:sheri at speakeasy.net]
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 07:13 PM
>> To: sheelanagig at juno.com, anarch3m at lycos.com,  
>> seattle-editorial at indymedia.org
>> Cc: imc-seattle-community at lists.indymedia.org
>> Subject: [IMC-Seattle] 	(was:  Re:  [Imc-seattle-community] mail to  
>> general list not being	distributed?
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> i'm chiming in as well.
>>
>> what you are pointing out are some very valid critiques and i hope  
>> that the editorial group (which i would suggest needs to meet to  
>> tackle some of these issues) would take them on and consider them  
>> valuable feedback.
>>
>> benjamin's newswire posting about ideas for improving the website and  
>> asking people for feedback, inspired several comments, one of which  
>> was an excellent comparison with how effectively the portland  
>> indymedia site works and efficiently.  i think these are all good  
>> ideas for how we can make things better.
>>
>> what i find frustrating is when people just abandon and jump ship  
>> because things aren't going the way they want to see them go.   
>> kristen, your comments are good ones, invaluable, totally valid, but  
>> the seattle editorial collective is not really a functioning  
>> collective (in my humble opinion, i know there are others who have  
>> argued that it's working just fine, i respectfully disagree).  
>> supposedly this group is supposed to be one of the active components  
>> of the seattle imc, but it isn't.  and unless some people start to  
>> work together seriously and consistently, it is going to continue to  
>> frustrate people like yourself and others
>>
>> So i would like to request that you not take off, but that you  
>> encourage us to (1) have a meeting face to face with those who can  
>> (2) consider these critiques and constructive feedback (3) be more  
>> accountable to the community (4) take steps to make the seattle imc  
>> website a vibrant site (one of the agreements the group consensed  
>> to)....
>>
>> please consider these things and i encourage someone from this  
>> working group to convene a meeting; i'd rather it not be me.  but i  
>> will attend :)))
>>
>> peace,
>> and solidarity
>> sheri
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sheelanagig at juno.com [mailto:sheelanagig at juno.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 04:35 PM
>>> To: anarch3m at lycos.com
>>> Cc: imc-seattle-community at lists.indymedia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Imc-seattle-community] mail to general list not  
>>> being	distributed?
>>>
>>> I must also chime in.
>>> After sending the editorial list several timely articles that never  
>>> even
>>> got posted AFTER the wetland story that is months old and still up, I
>>> have quit submitting in all forms to the Seattle IMC cuz I do not  
>>> want to
>>> be associated with a site that is so poorly run, honestly, and I am  
>>> sorry
>>> to say that.
>>>
>>> I have had SEVERAL main feature articles on Portland Indy Media in  
>>> the
>>> time that you all have posted none, and I am tired of wasting energy  
>>> with
>>> seattle IMC. So I quit even posting on the sidebar at Sea IMC.
>>>
>>> I do not even have to send the editorial group my articles to get  
>>> them to
>>> the main page with Portland IMC. I put them onto the open newswire  
>>> and
>>> they take them from there and put them on the middle column. It is  
>>> EASY.
>>> AND IT USUALLY HAPPENS WITHIN A FEW HOURS OF ME OPEN POSTING. Your  
>>> group
>>> insisted I first post tothe open newswire, then I send you the link  
>>> and
>>> the article to the feature egit group, then IT STILL WENT NOWHERE!  
>>> It was
>>> sick that the WTO settlement story I wrote went front page at
>>> Infoshop.org, Portland IMC, all over, but it NEVER MADE IT TO THE  
>>> SEA IMC
>>> while the OLD oil spill story stayed!!!!!!
>>>
>>> I understand this is volunteer. I understand people are fed up and  
>>> are
>>> standing away from this project. But if something is not cleaned up  
>>> soon,
>>> I would have to say I think Sea IMC should be taken OFF the IMC  
>>> system as
>>> it is substandard beyond tolerance. It degrades the whole IMC  
>>> system. It
>>> is more embarrasing than anything else and this has been going on for
>>> months.
>>>
>>> Kirsten Anderberg
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:56:26 -0800 " anarch3m" <anarch3m at lycos.com>
>>> writes:
>>>>
>>>> I have sent several mails to the iimc sea general list and or
>>>> editorial, most recently a response to a tabling proposal for M
>>>> Parenti at Shoreline.
>>>>
>>>> I never recieved the comment on sea gen, or on editorial list.
>>>>
>>>> Rick H sent important and timely business to general lolist but its
>>>> "held for admin" to act on?
>>>>
>>>> Whats going on?
>>>>
>>>> walt
>>>>
>>>>
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