[Seattle-editorial] Time to convene?

[BFGalbraith]

Joseph,

Is it time to convene the next meeting?  (People are
starting to wonder where and when it's going to be
next, from what I hear.)


--- Joseph Eisenschmidt <relayer at riseup.net> wrote:
> Ben,
> 
> Can we do a role call of active members of the
> Editorial WG and 
> their intent?
> 
> Joseph
> 
> Quoting BFGalbraith <bfgalbraith at yahoo.com>:
> 
> > Kirsten Anderberg,
> > 
> > I understand your concerns here.  They are
> extremely
> > valid.  There is no question that the negetive
> > comments made about you online, in my mind at
> least,
> > on our site, should be deleted.
> > 
> > At the editorial meeting before last, 4 people
> showed
> > up.  At the last editorial meeting, 3 people
> showed
> > up.  I know of one tech person that is keeping the
> > website going on the "backside" of the site.  That
> > means there's about 4 people who are even involved
> in
> > the conversation about keeping the Seattle IMC
> website
> > going.
> > 
> > It's not like we have 3 people times 40 hours per
> week
> > to deal with this situation.  It's more like 3
> times 3
> > or four hours a week to deal with this.  It's
> largely
> > a question of weather or not we even have the
> manpower
> > to wage a successful battle against the trolls,
> even
> > just a small one to protect your latest article.
> > 
> > 
> > Let me ask you all, editorial team, what
> alternatives
> > do we have for dealing with this level of abuse to
> our
> > best writers?
> > 
> > 
> > > It is creepy how most of my articles just
> attract
> > > personal slams on me,
> > > about who I am, or am perceived to be, and so
> rarely
> > > is intelligent
> > > comment made with respect to the subject of my
> > > articles on your site. On
> > > INfoshop, I get torn apart at times, but the
> > > comments are predominantly
> > > intelligent and cause for further discussion on
> the
> > > topic matter. The
> > > discussion on infoshop re the rogue midwifery
> was
> > > brilliant yet the
> > > comment on Seattle IMC is just stupid and mean.
> Same
> > > with the harassment
> > > order one. Useless comments. Flaming. Mean shit.
> > > Condescending useless
> > > shit. I loved how someone from the PDA tried to
> > > cloud the issues on
> > > comments re free speech at market issue, calling
> me
> > > "high drama" yet
> > > avoiding the entire issue which is - WHERE IS
> THE
> > > FREE SPEECH SPOT?!
> > > 
> > > I seem to be attracting alot of the same
> character
> > > bashing rather than
> > > actual comments to the articles on Portland IMC
> too.
> > > 
> > > I am not sure what to make of that. Part of me
> wants
> > > to not put my
> > > articles in a place where they attract a bunch
> of
> > > mud slinging re my
> > > personal character, i.e., a site or place where
> > > either comments are
> > > moderated, or the article is simply presented,
> and
> > > there is no place for
> > > comments. Not that I do not enjoy open
> discussion of
> > > the topics I write
> > > about, but more often than not it seems I am
> > > attracting people who are
> > > just putting me down and arguing over things
> that
> > > have nothing to do with
> > > the articles...but instead my personal
> integrity,
> > > when the people talking
> > > do not even know me. 
> > > 
> > > Is there any way to clean up the nasty
> commenting
> > > that is irrelevant and
> > > regularly occuring? Or is that considered
> hierarchal
> > > authoritarian
> > > behavior to desire to control mudslinging on
> > > authors? Simply because I
> > > have the nerve to write my opinions down and
> publish
> > > them, I am not sure
> > > that means my entire life is an open book, I am
> > > allowed no privacy, and I
> > > now wear a target sign for any asshole who wants
> to
> > > swing at me online! I
> > > think this rampant bad comment behavior is
> lowering
> > > the integrity of indy
> > > media, honestly. If the comments are
> predominantly,
> > > "pee-you, you stink"
> > > type crap, what is the purpose of comments? It
> is
> > > too laborious to
> > > babysit idiots with keyboards. And if it means
> no
> > > good writers will apply
> > > to IMC's, hmm...it is something to think about.
> > > 
> > > I am still trying to figure out how much privacy
> I
> > > should be allowed as a
> > > writer. I have suffered some GROSS invasions of
> > > privacy in the last month
> > > online. We writers have some human and civil
> rights
> > > too... It may be of
> > > worth for the seattle imc editorial group to
> talk
> > > about ways to make the
> > > site more friendly to writers who write for
> you...I
> > > know you are already
> > > trying to work with writers to make things
> better,
> > > and are overwhelmed
> > > with not enough help, and I applaud your
> efforts,
> > > and know it is a
> > > thankless dirty job, but I have to also say I am
> > > pretty much feeling like
> > > when I am posted on Seattle IMC, it often makes
> me a
> > > target for dirty
> > > comments on me personally, and abuse...and
> nothing
> > > more. It makes me sad,
> > > honestly. I know you are trying, as I said. I am
> > > trying too...but I am so
> > > sick of people shitting all over me online just
> for
> > > trying to write and
> > > publish a decent article...I guess maybe if you
> do
> > > not want that, you go
> > > to other places to publish, like the Weekly or
> P-I.
> > > I like the idea of
> > > indy media, but not the constant and random
> abuse
> > > the writers seem to
> > > have to endure from the reader comments...On
> > > Infoshop, the abusive shit
> > > is taken off pretty quickly by Chuck himself so
> I am
> > > learning to live
> > > with the comments on Infoshop, cuz if they are
> just
> > > belittling me, and
> > > not addressing the article, he takes the comment
> off
> > > and takes no shit
> > > about it, so the comments do not end up living
> with
> > > the article in
> > > archives. 
> > > 
> > > But the shit slung at me that is irrelevant to
> the
> > > articles on Portland
> > > and Seattle imc's tend to stay on the articles,
> and
> > > it is really hard to
> > > keep wanting to send out an article, knowing I
> am
> > > just going to get
> > > called names, and talked about personally for
> them.
> > > Again, I do not mind
> > > intelligent discussion on the topics, but that
> is
> > > not the bulk of IMC
> > > comments to my articles of late, the bulk are
> stupid
> > > comments, rude
> > > comments, mean comments...I cannot tell if this
> got
> > > exponentially worse
> > > after Ben stole my site and I had to say
> something,
> > > maybe this is him or
> > > his cronies following me and belittling me every
> > > article I write on
> > > imc's, but it seems pretty icky, since all I am
> > > trying to do is give good
> > > article content, not proclaim to be a saint, a
> > > teacher, or anything, just
> > > a story teller and writer! Yet I am feeling
> lessa nd
> > > less inspired to
> > > write for IMC's as a posting is a target sign
> around
> > > my neck in ways...
> > > 
> > > We will see how it all plays out, I am still
> hanging
> > > in here, but I am
> > > hesitant at best...I may just start publishing a
> > > monthly or biweekly zine
> > > with all my articles and people can ask to
> reprint
> > > them, but I will avoid
> > > all the shredding via comments online...
> > > people sending me private hatemail is different
> than
> > > hate mail being
> > > attached to all my articles in the comments
> > > sections!
> > > 
> > > Thinking outloud,
> > > Kirsten Anderberg
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > -Benjamin 
> > 
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> 
> 
> Joseph


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-Benjamin 

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